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post #11 of 26 Old 01-29-2016, 05:36 PM
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Your horse may be able to respond fine by verbal cues, however, you didn't train him with verbal cues. You trained him with pressure from either your body, or equipped, while using verbal cues at the same time. That way, eventually the horse comes to be trained only by the verbal cues, but you don't start out that way.
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post #12 of 26 Old 01-29-2016, 06:56 PM
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I noticed you were using the word "command" instead of "cue" which puzzled me until you mentioned you train dogs.
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First, Folly, I'm so happy you found a horse you are clicking with! It sounds like this horse is going to be wonderful for you!

Second, thanks for bringing this up and thanks to everyone for commenting! It's been a great read and is reinforcing what I am now intuitively doing with my horse Harley. We've only had him since October so we are still getting to know each other. I bought him for my daughter, but I am riding him too (in fact, more than she is, but that's another thread!). Often, I go to the barn alone, at night. Initially, I struggled with opening and closing doors to and from the barn and the riding arena. I didn't know how to do it without having him follow me but while still holding on to the lead rope or reins. Gradually, we learned to understand each other. I did reinforce stopping in front of open doorways, which he wasn't very good at initially. But now, I just stop him, walk in front of him, open the door, then lead him out, turn him, close the door, then walk on. I don't actually think about it or go through a series of commands. I did some groundwork to teach him to stop when I stop. And I can walk out in front of him while he waits without actually telling him to wait. Though I can totally see the benefit of a "command" or "cue", but I honestly hadn't really thought it through, this is just how our relationship evolved. He's smart. He knows what's expected of him.

Obviously I'm no expert so listen to everyone else rather than me, but I just wanted to say that I think this can happen naturally, to some extent, as you get to know each other and learn to communicate with each other. Enjoy!
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Congrats on your new horse! I'm sure your trainer will be able to help immensely, and I'm glad you're taking the time and money to go through some lessons together.
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Congratulations! You are dining it the right way -- instead of buying a green horse and trying to train it with a book in one hand and a lead-rope or reins in the other. We all applaud you.

You are either going to have to learn the exact cues and body language she has been taught or she has to learn to adapt to what you do and how you ask. Either will work -- BUT ONLY IF YOU ARE 100% CONSISTENT.

Being 100% consistent is more important than anything else you learn or do. This is one thing that you always need to remember:

The worst behavior or response you accept is the best response you you have any right to expect.
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If the seller is not too far away maybe he would consider coming and showing you how he trained your horse.
Congrats! She sounds like a gem.

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post #17 of 26 Old 01-30-2016, 03:32 PM Thread Starter
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Well this has been a fun 24 hours :)
went out yesterday afternoon with a friend and we rode her in the indoor arena - first time since I got her Wednesday. I just did a nice walk, but my friend (had horses all her life) trotted and loped her and said she did very well. I don't think she's been ridden in an indoor arena in recent history, or maybe ever, but she totally took it in stride. Was interested in a lot of things and engaged, but willing. Beau, I was more aware of my arm position and body language, and it was already much easier to move her around.

Then, this morning in the round pen was a blast! I couldn't wipe the silly grin off my face for the entire 25 minute drive home. She started out feisty (but not intimidating). After some coaching, I was actually in there lunging her successfully on my own both with a lead and loose. As clumsy as I was with it, the horse still interpreted what I wanted quite well. I'm not ready to do it without instructor there yet telling me what to do (have a lot to learn), but I can see being comfortable after only a few lessons. Trainer said she has definitely had really good training, but is just slightly rusty on some things. It came back quickly. Good news is that it seems like they speak the same language. She started trying different things towards the end and showed me how to easily move her rear with just body language (as of yesterday, I thought I needed to push on her lol... as of today while grooming after the lesson, a simple gesture and click had her moving and crossing right over). Trainer then tried moving her front and said that was a little trickier... but Dakota knew just what she was asking for.

So anyway, so far so good! I'm pragmatic and realize I need to be alert, but as of now there are no red flags. Hoping this turns out to be the match I've been waiting for. It feels like dating lol (I told my husband it's about as hard to find a good horse as a great husband... not sure he appreciated the analogy). FYI, the people I bought her from did not train her. The previous owners had her much longer, since she was a 3 year old. I met her one time, and might give her a call this week.
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When you play with your horse in the pen, keep her to a walk. She'll forgive your mistakes as you will hers. By speeding a horse up it changes it's thinking. The faster gaits will come when you are more proficient. In the meantime, enjoy. And sometimes turn your back to her, walk away a few steps and allow her to relax. You have started on a wonderful journey and who knows where it will lead. Today, one horse decided to help himself to the other's grain until I pointed toward his and waited. He turned and went back. I was about 15' away but he paid attention. Kinda thrilling when something like that happens.



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When you play with your horse in the pen, keep her to a walk. She'll forgive your mistakes as you will hers. By speeding a horse up it changes it's thinking. The faster gaits will come when you are more proficient. In the meantime, enjoy. And sometimes turn your back to her, walk away a few steps and allow her to relax. You have started on a wonderful journey and who knows where it will lead. Today, one horse decided to help himself to the other's grain until I pointed toward his and waited. He turned and went back. I was about 15' away but he paid attention. Kinda thrilling when something like that happens.
- how would you suggest keeping her at a walk? I'm getting along great with her, but haven't been able to get another lesson (will try for one later this week). I have 'played' with her some in the round pen on my own the past few days with better success than I expected - but I need polish! She's seems to think I want her to go fast in the round pen (whether loose or on the line). I can lunge her in the arena on a line and get just a nice slow walk or easy trot no problem. But in the rp, she really moves. Nothing out of control, just no walk. Also, what's the typical way to ask for "whoa" WITHOUT a line? With the line, she does the textbook turn to face and stand until invited.
I'm just too impatient to wait for a next lesson....

(by the way, this lunging is mainly for me not for her; she's been great while riding. I'm not trying to 'fix' any behavior problems, I just enjoy working with her without necessarily riding sometimes - plus, it seems to be good for team building as we get to know each other).
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