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post #21 of 26 Old 02-08-2016, 12:06 AM
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Block her forward movement. As she on one side back up quickly to the opposite side. This will turn her back. Continue to do this until she's pooped and starts slowing down. When she walks, turn your back to her and check your boots. She'll be licking her lips and blinking. Give her half a minute then only point the direction you'd like her to go. If she walks, again turn your back to her. This releases the pressure on her and is her reward. If you are using a whip, lay it down and see how she responds without it.



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You will go through a period of "figuring out" your new horse. And your horse will have to figure you out too! While most cues have a general rule of thumb, there are slight variations.

That is good that you already have a trainer coming to help you. Hands-on learning is the best type of learning, IMO.



It has to do with your body placement in relation to hers.

If you step back to "open the door", and point with your arm (the arm away from her), that typically is the cue to send. Make sure you have your chest pointing where you want the horse to go (but not so much so that you have your back to the horse).

Likewise, if you want to stop her body motion or make her wait, angle your body so your chest is pointing at her shoulder to "block" her forward movement. You could also put your arm/hand in front of her to "block".

Most of it is just learning what affect your body language has on her, and how you can use your body language to control her shoulders, ribcage, and hindquarters. You'll get it wrong in the beginning, and that's okay! You'll learn with practice.

This is a post of mine I wrote up a while ago.
https://www.horseforum.com/horse-trai...-101-a-205770/

Yes, the title is trailer loading but really, trailer loading is about ground work too. Might give you some ideas, anyway!

You could also look up some ground work videos by Clinton Anderson. Now, he's much more aggressive in his cues than most people need to be, but what I like about him is he makes his cues very obvious and he explains what he is doing, when and why. So you can see how your body language causes the horse to move in relation to it.
Excellent Information all the way around I hope you teach! I will meet Clinton Anderson in April, and He sounds like a clear person that I could learn from.
Thank you also.
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Block her forward movement. As she on one side back up quickly to the opposite side. This will turn her back. Continue to do this until she's pooped and starts slowing down. When she walks, turn your back to her and check your boots. She'll be licking her lips and blinking. Give her half a minute then only point the direction you'd like her to go. If she walks, again turn your back to her. This releases the pressure on her and is her reward. If you are using a whip, lay it down and see how she responds without it.
OK that makes sense. I was kind of doing parts of what you describe and getting some of the reactions, but I didn't put it all together the right way. Many thanks - We'll get this.
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how would you suggest keeping her at a walk?
Yup, agree with Saddlebag. You simply block her forward movement. Similar to how you would ask her to stop BUT you aren't going to give her that full cue because you simply want her to slow down; not stop.

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She's seems to think I want her to go fast in the round pen (whether loose or on the line). I can lunge her in the arena on a line and get just a nice slow walk or easy trot no problem. But in the rp, she really moves. Nothing out of control, just no walk. Also, what's the typical way to ask for "whoa" WITHOUT a line?
Myself personally, I like to keep a horse on the line until we both understand each other well. Free lunging is fun, but I would suggest keeping her on the line right now until you get a better feel for each other. The line just gives you an extra point of control, if you need it.

When I ask a horse to do things in the round pen, my cues are the exact same whether they have a line or not.

So to stop, I use my body language to stop their forward motion and use the word WHOA. I never actually step in front of the horse (that's a dangerous move!) but I will turn my shoulders/chest to face them, and I may raise my arm to "block" them. If I need to reinforce the stop with the lunge line, I will, but I usually just pretend it isn't even there, which makes the transition to free lunging easy.

This is my own personal preferance, but when I ask a horse to WHOA, that's what I want them to do = stop. I do not want them to turn toward me. I do not want them to walk to the middle of the circle. To me, that is not what WHOA means. It means stop moving your feet, now.

I teach them that's what WHOA means so that when we translate it to the saddle, it means the same thing (stop moving your feet).
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Yup, agree with Saddlebag. You simply block her forward movement. ..........

"Myself personally, I like to keep a horse on the line until we both understand each other well. Free lunging is fun, but I would suggest keeping her on the line right now until you get a better feel for each other. The line just gives you an extra point of control, if you need it. "
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"I teach them that's what WHOA means so that when we translate it to the saddle, it means the same thing (stop moving your feet)".
That all makes great sense, too. She has a really good whoa from the saddle at this point (one of my favorite things about her lol), and I absolutely want to do everything in my power to reinforce that and NEVER encourage anything less.

I found out who her original trainer was (when she was about 3) - a gentleman named Dwain Lively out of Colorado. Apparently a Buck Brannaham genre of trainer with a loyal following of his own (at least regionally) at one time, but unfortunately he is aging and in failing health. I was trying to find out how she was trained, as suggested earlier in this thread. A Buck clinic is fairly near me in early March, and I'm seriously considering auditing/watching part of it. She's a tad rusty I think, but everything seems to still be there - and I just need to learn how to cue it.

Did I mention I'm having the time of my life with this horse?!

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... Apparently a Buck Brannaham genre ....
*Buck Brannaman ... typo...
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