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post #11 of 47 Old 12-03-2014, 12:57 PM
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She is nice, but what kind of bit does she have?

If it is a chain mouthpiece. I hope she doesn't need it and you get rid of it ASAP.

I wouldn't even try a horse that had that in its mouth. I might be way off base here, but I want to try a horse in what I am going to use.

For instance...When I look at a driving horse I am interested in buying, off goes the over and side check, dump ant flash or crank nosebands and I want to see breeching used.
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post #12 of 47 Old 12-03-2014, 01:04 PM
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All I have to say
"would you want a chain in your mouth" and to add "specifically designed to use pressure to clamp on the back of your head and tighten the chain"

The ONLY good things I see with that bit are it's not a bicycle chain or barbed wire or anything, and the shanks are relatively short and curved.

She seems pretty mellow, so I will say again, does she really NEED it and does she have the training for it to be used properly? Even if so I would be looking for something with a different mouthpiece at least and if not DEFINITELY don't use it. If she needs one for running get one for that then use a different bit (snaffle, maybe a simple curb if she likes that) for the rest of your riding.

Looking again she may be a little tied in at the knee, but overall she seems very nicely built and sturdy.
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post #13 of 47 Old 12-03-2014, 02:10 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the feedback, I will definitely bring it up with my trainer re: the bit.
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post #14 of 47 Old 12-03-2014, 02:20 PM
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I can see a bit on a very hot (AND well trained) horse for gaming. But for anything else please don't use it. Am I wrong that the part in her mouth is a chain? :/ Personally even if I needed a gag type bit I wouldn't be using one with that mouth piece.
I also was taken back by the bit. I couldnt look at anything else. It is chain and gag.
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post #15 of 47 Old 12-03-2014, 02:22 PM
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We use the wonder bit on my mom's ranch broke QH mare, but its not the chain or twisted wire type, just a plain snaffle with the shank. I liked the bit because it is shorter shanked so less leverage, better for beginner hands like my mother. I did try the mare in a snaffle.... to put it simply she hated it, and I have very soft hands on top of this horse being a neck reiner. I believe the only thing this horse has ever worn is a curb so that's why she didn't like the snaffle. The wonder bit was a nice compromise. As for the curb chain, I keep it loose enough that there is no pressure from it unless you pull really hard, but not so loose that it falls over her lip.

Here is the one that we use:



Its a heck of a lot better than a tom thumb or full on curb and the mare does really well in it. She would be flipping her head if she had any issues with it, and the horse is a neck reiner.

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post #16 of 47 Old 12-03-2014, 02:57 PM Thread Starter
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Not to sound mean or brash-- but I am more than happy to start a different thread about bit types. I am asking specifically about the overall shape of the horse. This is not my horse, I am considering purchasing her and this is the bit that was provided when I went to ride her. My trainers are superb, very well respected and I am 100% sure that they know exactly what they are doing... and if this is the bit they have chosen to use, I see no issue with that, as it is their horse for the time being.

I do not know why she uses that bit, could be they tried others and this horse responds well to it. From my understanding, everyone and their horse has their preferred bit.

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post #17 of 47 Old 12-03-2014, 03:54 PM
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I'm going to agree with the OP. We don't know the horse, trainers, or situation so I'll kindly stay out of it. We've all had or seen horses that had their preferred bits that may or may not be considered 'cruel' by those outside of the situation.

OP I hope she turns out to be a great horse for you!! :)
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post #18 of 47 Old 12-03-2014, 09:52 PM
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post #19 of 47 Old 12-03-2014, 10:50 PM
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Not to sound mean or brash-- but I am more than happy to start a different thread about bit types. I am asking specifically about the overall shape of the horse. This is not my horse, I am considering purchasing her and this is the bit that was provided when I went to ride her. My trainers are superb, very well respected and I am 100% sure that they know exactly what they are doing... and if this is the bit they have chosen to use, I see no issue with that, as it is their horse for the time being.

I do not know why she uses that bit, could be they tried others and this horse responds well to it. From my understanding, everyone and their horse has their preferred bit.
Agree even with the bit horseluvr posted it still seems overkill to a simple curb esp for a beginner. But at the end of the day it's all about what the horse likes and the hands that use it.

So yes, I do think you should specifically ask why she's in this bit and consider changing it if you purchase her. Also, as a buyer I would consider it a red flag to see a horse in that bit (why does the horse need the bit and why have the people used such a bit). Just things to keep in mind.

I completely understand you refocusing us, no worries :). There is not much to say beyond what has been said, and as you said the horse isn't yours atm. Don't want people to go completely off topic!
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post #20 of 47 Old 12-04-2014, 08:39 AM Thread Starter
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Yogi I will definitely consider changing it if/when I do purchase ( and I am reallllly leaning towards purchasing her!)! . I said I would let them know by the end of this week after doing some thinking/additional research.

I will admit, bits are kind of still lost on me to some extent, I read through Smrobs wonderful sticky about bits and it helped clarify a lot for me. I do know my trainers have (what seems to me) a plethora of bits, including snaffle, so I'm sure there is a valid reason why she is in this bit. I do know she is direct reigned and not neck reigned (yet), but the purchase price includes 30 days of training in addition to what I already pay for 1:1 lessons. So, I'm not too concerned with it. I have seen what they have been able to do with horses, and it is pretty amazing. They have a stand up operation, which is why I feel very comfortable purchasing from them!
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