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post #21 of 29 Old 02-26-2015, 04:27 PM Thread Starter
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Have gone back to basics as you suggested, she is still reluctant to leave the foal which is understandable but she relents in the end and is always quiet on the ground. She was weaned around the same time as the foal but in Fiji the foals are very rarely separated from the mares so I am trying to find a place to put the foal for a few weeks. Will continue ground work and lunging and learning!
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While I agree with the general sentiment talking/petting/treats do have their place. Especially talking.

It may help to have verbal commands (walk on, whoa, easy, "eh!", enough! etc). Some horses respond VERY well to vocal cues (the intention even if they don't know the meaning though you can teach meanings). What you shouldn't do "oh what a good girl, you're so pretty, so we're just walking down the road now, oh the sun is so nice, now don't be worried that's just a little puddle" (stop and pet, treat after crossing puddle etc).

Just expect her to be good and you need to have authority. Don't ramble, don't think talking/pets/treats are "bad" though, they just need to be done appropriately, and as I said appropriate talking may be very beneficial to you.

If she is fresh give the lead a tug, but sounds like she is relatively quiet on the ground?

Out of curiosity when was she weaned? Work should always be age appropriate but no reason she shouldn't be 110% behaved on the ground at this point. At this age she can begin doing more physical things like lunging (do take it easy and do NOT do these things until everything else is solid) which I would do before working on saddle stuff.
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post #22 of 29 Old 02-26-2015, 06:06 PM
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Sounds like you are on the right track. Personally I wouldn't be asking her to leave the foal in this situation, just work near the foal. I would be avoiding any and all stressors to set her up for success.
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Am I the only person here who wants pictures? I've never seen a Fijian horse, running on the sand, tied, not stabled.

To stay on topic, I think the mare had plenty of reasons to buck you off, and they've been covered quite nicely.

To veer off topic, your horse and how she lives are really fascinating. I'd like to learn more.
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post #24 of 29 Old 02-28-2015, 07:48 PM
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I agree with Freda. The OP seems to be getting a handle on the problem. I'm very interested in other folks keeping horses in the tropics. I'd love to see photos and hear of health, farriery, and nutrition issues.
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post #25 of 29 Old 03-01-2015, 06:52 PM
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I believe that most of what needs to be said has been. I have to admit, when I was reading the first two pages of notes, I was getting very stressed and upset, though I'm calming down now. An 18 month old horse should not have been ridden. You should've just been doing groundwork with her. At that age, the horse is still growing and it's hard on their bones and joints to take a rider. At this age is when she should just start to be riding. Up until this point, it should've been groundwork, which you could do now as long as you keep the baby near. At 5 months, the baby should've been weaned, but I guess you can work on that now, which you seem to be doing. Wait 6 months (and play it by ear) minimum before even attempting to back the mare. It makes me sad to think she was bred so early, too. She was just a baby! But I'm glad to hear you care. Please continue to seek help on the forum to avoid messes like the one you have. Sorry if I sound strict.
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post #26 of 29 Old 03-02-2015, 08:34 PM Thread Starter
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Am I the only person here who wants pictures? I've never seen a Fijian horse, running on the sand, tied, not stabled.

To stay on topic, I think the mare had plenty of reasons to buck you off, and they've been covered quite nicely.

To veer off topic, your horse and how she lives are really fascinating. I'd like to learn more.
Yes you are right, she did buck me off for a reason which I fully understand now. Have gone back to basic training and she is responding very well, leading away from the foal without any reluctance this week and I have hopped on and off the saddle a few times and she has been very calm and didn't try to move off at all. Horses in Fiji are very resiliant, they have to endure extreme temperatures and cyclones. They are also treated badly by the locals, their idea of training is brute force, they have never heard of Natural Horsemanship. They are ridden at 18 months and less, never fed anything but grass, never wormed or vaccinated. In the remote areas, they are a still used as a form of transport. My horses are fed everyday and are wormed and vaccinated on a regular basis. They get fed a mash mixture of Casava (local root vegetable), Copra (dried coconut), Weetabix, powdered milk, garlic powder, Mollases (not every day), Apple cider vinegar and sunflower or linseeds when they are available. Unfortunately they are tied in the bush amongst the long grass and trees, we don't have any stables or paddocks for them. My horses have access to water but most of the local horses don't get enough water and a lot of them die from colic etc. We don't have a permanent horse vet and no farrier although volunteer vets from New Zealand visit and donate their time and expertise and have trained a local in the Nadi area to clean and file hooves. Thank you once again for your advice, it is really appreciated.
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I believe that most of what needs to be said has been. I have to admit, when I was reading the first two pages of notes, I was getting very stressed and upset, though I'm calming down now. An 18 month old horse should not have been ridden. You should've just been doing groundwork with her. At that age, the horse is still growing and it's hard on their bones and joints to take a rider. At this age is when she should just start to be riding. Up until this point, it should've been groundwork, which you could do now as long as you keep the baby near. At 5 months, the baby should've been weaned, but I guess you can work on that now, which you seem to be doing. Wait 6 months (and play it by ear) minimum before even attempting to back the mare. It makes me sad to think she was bred so early, too. She was just a baby! But I'm glad to hear you care. Please continue to seek help on the forum to avoid messes like the one you have. Sorry if I sound strict.
Thanks for your input, you are not strict! My mare was 2 years 1 month when I rode her, I am 43 kilos in weight and only rode her for about 15 minutes, slow walk on the beach. Regarding the foal, the stallions were all tied a long way from her but unfortunately one broke loose and I was so upset and concerned when I discovered she was in foal at such a young age. I immediately stopped riding and just walked her along the beach during her term. I started training again when the foal was 3 months old, she is now 7 months. Its back to basics again and now have more understanding thanks to all the forum replies for which I am extremely grateful. Horses in Fiji do not get treated well and brute force is used to train them. They are also ridden very young, 18 months and sometimes younger which I know is shocking. Im glad to say none of the horses in my area are treated this way. Thank you once again for you advice.
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In a nutshell, because she is not broke. And because she can as well.

There may also be internal issues from the foaling, if she was as young as another poster figures, could be something out of whack now, could be hormones, could be all sorts of things.

But I would say the root of it is she was not broke before she was bred.
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I believe that most of what needs to be said has been. I have to admit, when I was reading the first two pages of notes, I was getting very stressed and upset, though I'm calming down now. An 18 month old horse should not have been ridden. You should've just been doing groundwork with her. At that age, the horse is still growing and it's hard on their bones and joints to take a rider. At this age is when she should just start to be riding. Up until this point, it should've been groundwork, which you could do now as long as you keep the baby near. At 5 months, the baby should've been weaned, but I guess you can work on that now, which you seem to be doing. Wait 6 months (and play it by ear) minimum before even attempting to back the mare. It makes me sad to think she was bred so early, too. She was just a baby! But I'm glad to hear you care. Please continue to seek help on the forum to avoid messes like the one you have. Sorry if I sound strict.
I think we all feel the same but you must remember the OP is just doing what is done in her area. The breeding doesn't sound intentional though.

Regardless the OP did nothing wrong in doing what everyone else does and not knowing better, now she is beginning to and is doing her best to correct the situation, that's all we can ask for. She obviously cares for the mare and wants the best and that's what matters, as you can see she's already going above and beyond the "norm".

People HAVE been concerned about that, just not so blunt realizing it was simply a lack of proper education as opposed to not caring or being selfish.

Also while the foal is old enough to wean and I would advise doing that, many educated equine professionals suggest waiting longer and I would personally not be weaning at 5 months unless there was a medical reason to. So nothing at all "wrong" with waiting longer, though I agree at this point and with this situation time to move on.
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