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post #11 of 60 Old 06-09-2016, 10:39 PM
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I wish this went without saying, but I fear all this "new age horsemanship" may be confusing this for people.

I thought there was an inherent danger in working with horses, due to their size?
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I wish this went without saying, but I fear all this "new age horsemanship" may be confusing this for people.

I thought there was an inherent danger in working with horses, due to their size?
Remember this?
Legal Update: Connecticut Horse Law | Practical Horseman Magazine

Then most states have this:
"WARNING

Under Massachusetts law, an equine professional is not liable for an injury to, or the death of, a participant in equine activities resulting from the inherent risks of equine activities, pursuant to section 2D of chapter 128 of the General Laws"

The problem is quite frankly you can't fix stupid, and for all the incredible things humans have done there are even more stupid ones.

Did anyone hear about the gorilla or was that local news? Some toddler got into the gorilla enclosure and the gorilla was shot to ensure the child's safety due to no fault of it's own. The parents were right there watching it.

People also see other people handling horses so assume they can too. They are beautiful and people feel the need to interact with things. Ultimately things are often the humans fault. They do think they are big dogs, cause dogs are friendly so everything else is too! And if the dog hurts them it's clearly an issue with the dog. Same with the horse. See the lawsuit above.

FWIW here's the "inherent risks" from above:
"''Inherent risks of equine activities'', dangers or conditions which are an integral part of equine activities, including but not limited to:

(1) The propensity of equines to behave in ways that may result in injury, harm, or death to persons on or around them; (2) the unpredictability of an equine's reaction to such things as sounds, sudden movement, and unfamiliar objects, persons, or other animals; (3) certain hazards such as surface and subsurface conditions; (4) collisions with other equines or objects; (5) the potential of a participant to act in a negligent manner that may contribute to injury to the participant or others, such as failing to maintain control over the animal or not acting within his ability."
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I don't know how people would be able to treat a horse like a dog when they don't even know how to treat dogs like dogs. A lot of people that I see with dogs treat them so incorrectly and the dogs are out of control. And then the owner says "I don't know what's wrong with my baby". I want to say, "That's what's wrong with it, it's not your baby, it's a dog and you're confusing it". Seriously, I've heard stories of people not being able to sleep in their bed because their 130 lb baby (or 6 lb baby) is laying in it growling and won't let them.
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CowChick has it right -- now dogs are children and horses are dogs. Ugh.

If anybody calls their animal a 'furbaby' in my presence they should be glad I am not normally armed with anything more than a leatherman.

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If anybody calls their animal a 'furbaby' in my presence they should be glad I am not normally armed with anything more than a leatherman.
Oh HEAR HEAR! That absolutely makes my hair stand up and makes me grit and grind my teeth. No it's not a fur baby, you did not have a child with an exaggerated case of hirsutism, you BOUGHT a horse, dog, cat, hamster, etc etc. Last time I looked, buying and/or selling babies would land you in the local Grey Bar Saloon.

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^Admittedly, I don't see what's wrong with loving a pet the way you would love a child? Not everyone is blessed with the ability to procreate, after all...

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^Admittedly, I don't see what's wrong with loving a pet the way you would love a child? Not everyone is blessed with the ability to procreate, after all...
Well, first of all, they aren't human beings. Nor are they children. They are adults, adults of another species. To treat them like children is to utterly misunderstand them.

They don't grow up, move away, start lives of their own and visit at Christmas. And it's not because they remain children forever, it's because they aren't human beings. They are in fact property. You are not their legal guardian, you are their owner. An enormous difference.

Nobody is saying one cannot love an animal as intensely as one might love another human being. Because obviously people do, a lot. And some manage to do that without confusing animals with children, which animals prefer, because just like all sentient beings, they do best when they are seen and understood for who they are.

I apologize for the rantiness of the above, it is a sore subject.

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^Admittedly, I don't see what's wrong with loving a pet the way you would love a child? Not everyone is blessed with the ability to procreate, after all...
But for some reason some people seem to think that gives them an excuse to have ill mannered pets.

I don't have children and never will. I have 5 dogs at my house and love them all. The chihuahuas sleep with me but they are mannered and show respect. The Chihuahua I raised has no idea he's a little dog, he thinks he's a Border Collie like the others. They trot along behind when I trot my colts, they ride in the truck, they eat dog food and they listen to me. The new Chi is learning as she came with horrible habits due to the previous owners treating her like a little dog. A lot of people won't put a handle on the little dogs due to their size and they get yappy, begging, non-listening dogs they dress up like dolls and treat them like babies.
Again, nothing wrong with loving dogs and horses, I love mine, but boundaries need to be set.

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Lots of people I meet with ill-mannered pets would like it if they were well-mannered but have not a single clue as to how to procure good manners. Sadly I have found that people like that often seem incapable of learning how as well. It's like their minds just won't go there.

Why I don't teach people how to train animals even if they beg me. I just end up wanting to slap them, half the time. I'm much more patient with beings that don't talk.

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Lots of people I meet with ill-mannered pets would like it if they were well-mannered but have not a single clue as to how to procure good manners. Sadly I have found that people like that often seem incapable of learning how as well. It's like their minds just won't go there.

Why I don't teach people how to train animals even if they beg me. I just end up wanting to slap them, half the time. I'm much more patient with beings that don't talk.
I am just the opposite, I want to help the animals to be sociable, know boundaries and be able to both enjoy and understand their animals better.

More and more people have horses way before they are ready to and problems start because they do not understand the needs of that animal.

It is not helped by the supposedly 'softly softly' misunderstanding of today's society that to correct is wrong, that it will undermine the child's /dog's / horse's self esteem.

All need rules and boundaries, they are happier for it. They are happier for having an occupation, time for work and time for play amd a good fair leader.
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