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post #41 of 60 Old 06-10-2016, 01:47 PM
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Just an observation, if you want to know what someone’s horses are like, meet their dogs.

Our neighbor’s dogs are never disciplined; treats are the answer to everything.

If I walk near the property line all four of them come running over barking like they are going to attack. I can hear the neighbor woman yelling from the back porch, “Kujo, Killer....want a Cookie?” to which they reverse course, often having run onto our property and go receive a treat. Now if the second the dogs went to run off they received a command to sit/stay and then received a treat, they might have some good dogs.

No surprise then, that the younger horse they took on has become a behavior problem for them that they can no longer handle.

Horses may not be dogs, but people are people.

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post #42 of 60 Old 06-10-2016, 01:50 PM
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I've referred to our horses, dogs, and cats as our furry kids.....we're empty nesters so the critters are our "kids" who depend on us for their basic necessities, training to be good citizens of this world, and we support them both financially and physically, providing them with safe housing and the extras that make life better. We realize they aren't human and have 7 grandkids, but those "furry kids" give us a reason to get up every morning and put a smile on our sleepy faces with their cacophony of greeting when we feed them.


Personally, I really don't care how people refer to their pets as long as those pets are well trained with good manners, respectful of people being dominant, and well cared for. While horses are considered livestock in most localities, the reality today is horses have attained pet status for most owners since we don't expect them to earn us money.
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post #43 of 60 Old 06-10-2016, 01:51 PM
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I will say that submissive peeing is not always about fear, it is a serious show of submission to the person they consider the "leader" of the group. Acts of submission are rarely if ever as black and white as fear or being overbearing or loud towards a dog. They know their "place" in the pack structure, and they know the place of others in the pack.

I lived in a house with 3 other people when I had my little rescue dog, and while she would happily greet all of them, with me I could not even step in the door without her peeing on the floor in excitement and jumping all over me. And believe me, I worked on this hard - no eye contact, no speaking, no high-pitched voices or petting until she calmed down. I tried this for months and it did not quell the submissive peeing. She was just a very excitable, extremely attached dog, and she considered me the leader of her pack - over my ex husband and my roommates.
I have known dogs like this. I got one to stop peeing by lying on the floor with my eyes closed. That was how 'un-dominant' I had to be before she felt even slightly calm and confident. There are always these extreme individuals. Also, dogs know if you are a leader or not, within seconds of meeting you. You might have just had a lot more aura of leadership than the other people, no matter what you did.
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I had a donkey that was like a dog! He was orphaned at birth, not much bigger than a GSD so I took him home, he spent most of his time with the dogs and travelled to and from home in the back of my van with the dogs.

He was a PITA keeping in a field as he would go under the lowest wore just like the dogs did. A pub was next to the stables and he would spend his evenings in there addicted to tobacco - anyone leaving cigarettes on a table and he would eat them, packet too.

When it was closing time the locals would push him out the door and he would go back under the fence to the field.
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post #45 of 60 Old 06-10-2016, 07:38 PM
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I had a donkey that was like a dog! He was orphaned at birth, not much bigger than a GSD so I took him home, he spent most of his time with the dogs and travelled to and from home in the back of my van with the dogs.

He was a PITA keeping in a field as he would go under the lowest wore just like the dogs did. A pub was next to the stables and he would spend his evenings in there addicted to tobacco - anyone leaving cigarettes on a table and he would eat them, packet too.

When it was closing time the locals would push him out the door and he would go back under the fence to the field.
No fair, donkeys don't count!
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post #46 of 60 Old 06-10-2016, 08:46 PM
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I don't know how people would be able to treat a horse like a dog when they don't even know how to treat dogs like dogs. A lot of people that I see with dogs treat them so incorrectly and the dogs are out of control. And then the owner says "I don't know what's wrong with my baby". I want to say, "That's what's wrong with it, it's not your baby, it's a dog and you're confusing it". Seriously, I've heard stories of people not being able to sleep in their bed because their 130 lb baby (or 6 lb baby) is laying in it growling and won't let them.
Very good point!
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But for some reason some people seem to think that gives them an excuse to have ill mannered pets.

I don't have children and never will. I have 5 dogs at my house and love them all. The chihuahuas sleep with me but they are mannered and show respect. The Chihuahua I raised has no idea he's a little dog, he thinks he's a Border Collie like the others. They trot along behind when I trot my colts, they ride in the truck, they eat dog food and they listen to me. The new Chi is learning as she came with horrible habits due to the previous owners treating her like a little dog. A lot of people won't put a handle on the little dogs due to their size and they get yappy, begging, non-listening dogs they dress up like dolls and treat them like babies.
Again, nothing wrong with loving dogs and horses, I love mine, but boundaries need to be set.
I remember being in the car next to a lady with a small dog. I had my Shepherd in the back and the dog LOST it barking at me (then him I think). My dog and I both calmly watched. The lady was freaking out at the dog and the dog just kept on barking and we kept on watching. It was pretty funny. My dog just had this "look". Well is it bad that her level of humiliation was funny? It was her own fault lol.

Regarding "furbabies" guilty. However, I absolutely do not think they are human. Some people get a little blurry with the lines, and honestly the ANIMAL ultimately suffers.
@Avna I remember reading a story with some smart breed of dog (Shepherd?) and an owner getting more and more frustrated and finally shouting "I quit!! This dog is so stupid!". After which the trainer finally gets enough of biting his/her tongue and bursts out "The stupid one's are the easiest to train. The problem is the dog is smarter than you"
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Random, but I found Jurassic World to be very interesting and different from the other movies. It had a lot of training behavior and such shown with the raptors and I found it very neat and more intuitive than the previous ones.

(sorry couldn't edit post)
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@Avna -- Never once in my post did I say to 'treat an animal like a child.' Please read the words I have posted, rather than what you assume them to mean.

Too, I'm not really sure why people care how others referring to their pet? Or child, or spouse, or friend, or...etcetcetc.
It's really not anyone else's business.
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Too, I'm not really sure why people care how others referring to their pet? Or child, or spouse, or friend, or...etcetcetc.
It's really not anyone else's business.
Mostly true. But in the past few years, I've had several encounters with (mostly) women who were talking about their children. Thinking they're talking about actual children, I try to continue the conversation with something like "Oh that's nice. What grade is he/she in?". That's when I find out they're actually talking about a pet. Some have gotten testy about it. Any more, I just smile and nod when folks gush about their children.
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