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post #21 of 74 Old 01-10-2017, 03:38 AM Thread Starter
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About a year ago the elk came through and knocked down the west fence during the night.
I'm sorry about your horse. I'm sure it was awful to lose him that way. I'm sorry for you.
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I'll also say that those who "cant" aren't usually very good teachers but are really good at criticizing and belittling others. It's really easy to put people down and "assess" when you're not out there doing it or working for something. It's so easy for the mind to think how something should be or what "should" be done but in practice it doesn't work or isnt the right way.

That right there is a big part of what is bugging me. People are so quick to judge what you're doing wrong, because it is so incredibly easy to do. It's lazy. Actually trying to teach someone something, now that is hard. Keyboard warrior...easy. Helping someone understand something hard...well...it's hard. and the internet SUCKS at it.


I guess it has gotten to me a little. You know why, because it is so disappointing. I guess I thought people would be different in the horse world. Now I can't think of a single reason why I would have ever believed that.
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not tryna rattle cages; but i think a lot of the horse world (not all an not aimed directly to any particular person) it's about man-handling a horse and "showing it who's boss" in a really old fashioned sense. like if you go to a school you'll hear this - again not all of them but you can come across it - you'll hear them telling people to kick the horse. but a lot of people really learn an understand their horses, a lot of people have come to terms with the horsemanship side of things learning pressure release timing feel rhythm so a lot of good in the horse world too but i totally get what you say above, its so much easier for people to tell you how wrong you are than explain why and showing better techniques - because they're too lazy, or they simply dont know another way.
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post #24 of 74 Old 01-10-2017, 04:43 AM
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My kneejerk reaction to your subject heading is 'because many people are jerks' & reading your post, that's about the size of it I reckon. Altho I think anything people get quite passionate about tends to cause... passionate opinions. I actually think the vast majority of people in any walk of life are pretty decent, but unfortunately, the few 'bad eggs' tend to be 'squeakiest wheels'(pardon the mixing metaphors!)
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That right there is a big part of what is bugging me. People are so quick to judge what you're doing wrong, because it is so incredibly easy to do. It's lazy. Actually trying to teach someone something, now that is hard. Keyboard warrior...easy. Helping someone understand something hard...well...it's hard. and the internet SUCKS at it.


I guess it has gotten to me a little. You know why, because it is so disappointing. I guess I thought people would be different in the horse world. Now I can't think of a single reason why I would have ever believed that.

Are you talking about people being jerks in the internet horse world, or the REAL horse world. Plenty different experiences.
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some people would say I am bossy, I like to think that I just have better ideas!

When it comes to the horse world I have been around these animals for well over 60 years - most of them as a professional. My experience in handling the difficult animals is great. I love a challenge and turning a 'bad' animal around. It was my forte.

So I. All the time I have been with these beasts the biggest change I have found is that whereas people went to a riding school to learn to ride and learned on a great varieties of animals, now more and more people have a few lessons, get their own horse and forget the lessons. These are the ones who, now they are older class themselves as experienced. They are going out to help other newbies and so the cycle will continue with each generation looking more and more into the faults of the horse and not to the handler/rider.

They do not mean harm it is just ignorance. Whoever said "Ignorance is bliss" wasn't a horse.

If I see something and I will use the OPs video of her riding, the first thing I would have said, even if I was just walking past, I wouldn't be able to stop myself, would be for her to stop and we put the saddle on further forward.

I would probably say, "Excuse me my dear, your saddle seems to be a little far back, shall we move it into its proper place?" Rarely would a novice person take offence at this whereas if I were to yell out, "Hey, your saddle is in the wrong place don't you know?" Offence could well be taken or it would certainly upset the novice youngster.

From that I would watch, I would offer advice, explain what and why, knowing that the rider was a novice but eager to learn. Knowing me it would turn into a sort of lesson. Just can't help myself, I enjoy helping people.

There is the old saying, "Those that can - do. Those that can't - teach."
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carp614, I hope that you are able to learn everything you desire. I'll tell you, when I was young, my family wasn't much into animals of any kind. I was the oddball and just knew that horses was my passion. I spent many summers working at a local riding stable just learning and learning. And, you're very right, there are many more people out there that don't want to take the time to help someone learn. BUT, there are some that want to help those that truly want to learn.

As I got older and finally had my own horse I started really watching other's horses. The horses that were calm, confident and well behaved... well, those were the people I tried to place myself with whenever possible. Watching and asking. A horse's behavior says a lot about that rider.

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I think anyone can be jerks, horse people or not...really just depends on the person. With any sport, job, etc. there's always a few (or more!).
You can't really let it get to you, just think of all the nice people there are. They do exist. :)
There used to be some 'jerks' at my barn, but I avoided them & just hung around the nice people.
Constructive criticism can come off mean sometimes, but it's all about how you word it. & that goes for verbal OR internet criticism.
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post #29 of 74 Old 01-10-2017, 12:06 PM
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I think with animals, there comes a larger quotient of jerk-to-normal because some people use their love of animals to prove to themselves that they are good people, and animals can't tell you you're a jerk and they don't want to be your friend. Just like women who claim they are "Not like other girls", I am immediately suspicious of the person who claims that they "Love horses more than people" without provocation. It's that subtle need to push people outside themselves into the category of "other", usually so they can insult or degrade them.

It also depends on your sport, your age group, and the type of people you associate with. Online, it's even worse, because you have people who might be perfectly nice in person have the added protection of anonymity and a vehicle to say whatever they want. Youtube is one of the worst, so I would not even allow comments on videos there - rarely are they anything worth looking at.
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My thought process is this: don't critique/help unless it's asked for. I've seen plenty of training methods I don't agree with, but it's not my business, so I don't say anything.

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Firstly, the anonymity that the internet provides. (I think someone, or several people, commented on this already) People feel much more comfortable being jerks from behind a computer screen.
I have always made it a point not to say something online that I wouldn't say to someone's face, but I know a good number of people don't function that way.

Secondly, I totally agree with the bulk of the rhetoric I see here: horse people aren't jerks, people are jerks. You will find people with this type of attitude no matter what sport or hobby you choose to partake in.
I think "horse people" get a bad rep because people think they're spoiled and rich. This isn't always the case, and even when someone does have money that doesn't mean anything about their character; it's easy to demonize people who have more than you do. (generic "you", not specific you)
For the most part, I've had good luck finding and making friends in the horse world. I have made great friends at my A Hunter barn. You take the good with the bad (:

You have to take everything you receive (positive or negative, in person or in the form of a comment on youtube) with a grain of salt.
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The sensitivity of the internet baffles me.
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