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post #61 of 74 Old 01-13-2017, 07:18 PM
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I do not think that the OP was looking for commotion at all. I think ot was a genuine question from her personal experience.

I don't know how long ago the video was posted but it was obviously a novice rider trying her hardest to do the right thing without any help.

How people have responded really goes to prove the point that not all people are nice and understanding.
Actually, the OP is the father of the child who is riding. She's supposedly taking riding lessons. And Zexious, it was posted elsewhere in this forum. I don't know if that's where the nasty comments came from because I didn't read all the replies. He does mention Youtube, but doesn't specifically say that's where the comments came from. In fact, he says people comment on him as the "OP". To my knowledge, that isn't a term used on Youtube. Personally, I abstained from commenting because there are some in here that have far more experience than I do and they did express some concerns.

What I was trying to express is that while people did not mince words, the comments were made out of concern for what is going on in this video. It isn't about style. It isn't about thinking one way is better than another, like the whole debate about whether a Western saddle is better than an English saddle. I take issue with the idea (not expressed by you Foxhunter, just in general) that everyone is just as knowledgeable as anyone else, and there's no right and wrong, just different ways of doing things. Sorry, but while there is more than one right way to ride and interact with a horse, there ARE obviously wrong ways. To NOT point that out might be considered irresponsible when you see something that is likely to end in disaster for both rider and horse. The OP is offended that those things were pointed out to him, but honestly, when you post a video on the Internet, you're exposing yourself to that kind of criticism. He appears to think the video is "cool" when to me, it's just irresponsible.

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post #62 of 74 Old 01-14-2017, 02:41 PM
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I guess what ticked me off was when OP said to Tinyliny, "I guess you tried", after she gave a very reasonable and well meaning response to his video.

I guess we all think at some point that we know more than we actually do, that tends to happen after we have had a few positive experiences, and that we are untouchable. I work with horses, and because of a one miscalculated move, I went through an event where I was double barreled to the ground and run over by couple of horses. I was taken to hospital because I lost my consciousness for a bit and got a hit in the back of my head and spine. After exams, radios and one night hospital stay, I walked (ok, limped) out with just a big hematoma in my calf and bruises - but what if that wouldn't have been the case? Horses are big fun, but they're also big animals to be taken seriously. That's something to consider, especially when you are a parent.

People who deal with reactive horses tend to get hurt the most. Reactive horses need a certain presence to help them to relax and calm down, and still things happen. People who think they cannot get hurt, will get hurt.

I get that you are attached to Patio and that you want to help him, but guess what, so do we who give advice! Granted, I don't always know how to express my self correctly, or hide my frustration in some cases, but I mean well. So do most of the people on this forum. You will just have to grow a thicker skin if you want to continue helping the association - because although rewarding, it can be a mighty tough path.

I'm going to give you one last advice that you didn't ask. In order for Patio to recover well from his injury and previous job, he is going to be needing regular physio and massage. I watched the video again, in fact all of them, and he is really stiff at the back and his front end is not great either. Someone experienced should do it, as horses tend to get cranky when the work is started, and you have to be aware of the possible reactions to follow. If he is really sensitive to touch, the ideal would be for him to get some time off in the field/paddock in order for the muscles to let go a bit before starting the manipulation.
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I'm going to give you one last advice that you didn't ask. In order for Patio to recover well from his injury and previous job, he is going to be needing regular physio and massage.
Saw that bit & thought I'd actually watch the vid. Yeah, he does look stiff, but I gather you must have looked further into OP than this thread, or I missed the bit about previous injuries/work. I think it would be hard for him not to be stiff when the rider is in that position, even if he were otherwise sound, and I'm guessing the saddle may not be very comfortable for him either. I like to think, that if this is 8 months previous & OP has shown this vid around & got lots of comments(albeit some rude by the sound of it), he will have considered what's been said & hopefully that included ensuring the horse is sound & comfortable - that's one of the fundamentals.

OP, I'm curious why the rider has got such seriously short reins? Granted, being a beginner, she may not have been taught to sit well, but she would be unable to balance properly & keep control with such short reins. It wouldn't take much for him to either pull the reins out of her hands, or, if she's hanging on tight, pull her out of the saddle.
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Frankly, I think some people take their equestrian "events" (for lack of a better word), far to seriously....

I got horse snobbed several years ago.....told I didn't know what I was doing and the horse was riding me yada yada yada.....

I just smiled and said "your right".....but I do it a lot!

I don't compete because I found it starts out fun but then becomes serious, and as a result, steals the pure joy of what I loved to do.....

I don't care about flying lead changes.....etc....that's not important to me...

Ride your own ride. Don't let others drag you into their storm...but rather....drag them into your peace....
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Gunslinger, that's very well said and an excellent way to look at life. But I'm sure you must agree that sometimes we all see people in situations that are dangerous for them and their horses and they possibly just don't know. Or they are doing something that is causing pain or injury to the horse and someone only needs to bring it to their attention so they can rectify that situation.

That's not to say that anyone has a right to pass judgement, looking out for other's safety. I was at a clinic once and was getting ready to leave. There was a young woman in the parking area trying desperately to get her horse in the trailer. An arab type all flighty and flinchy. I asked her if she needed help and she turned on me like I was a criminal. No she didn't need help and everyone always think they can help her, but they just don't understand her horse. He'd been abused you see and he just needed kindness and understanding. So I mumbled my response and walked back to my trailer which was parked just across the way from hers. That poor girl spent an hour begging, sweet talking, cajoling, bribing and pleading that SOB to get in the trailer. Finally he did and she hurried to close the door. She did, however, have the nerve to ask me if I could back her trailer out for her as she didn't know how. Some people only want the help they think they want, not the help they need.
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All this about horsey people being jerks - which some are but they don't hold a patch to the parents, particularly mothers in Toddlers and Tiaras or the one on the children dancing. If you want cattiness look there!
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Gunslinger, that's very well said and an excellent way to look at life. But I'm sure you must agree that sometimes we all see people in situations that are dangerous for them and their horses and they possibly just don't know. Or they are doing something that is causing pain or injury to the horse and someone only needs to bring it to their attention so they can rectify that situation.

That's not to say that anyone has a right to pass judgement, looking out for other's safety. I was at a clinic once and was getting ready to leave. There was a young woman in the parking area trying desperately to get her horse in the trailer. An arab type all flighty and flinchy. I asked her if she needed help and she turned on me like I was a criminal. No she didn't need help and everyone always think they can help her, but they just don't understand her horse. He'd been abused you see and he just needed kindness and understanding. So I mumbled my response and walked back to my trailer which was parked just across the way from hers. That poor girl spent an hour begging, sweet talking, cajoling, bribing and pleading that SOB to get in the trailer. Finally he did and she hurried to close the door. She did, however, have the nerve to ask me if I could back her trailer out for her as she didn't know how. Some people only want the help they think they want, not the help they need.
Blue.....the intent in your heart was true......it was her storm.....not yours...

As the old saying goes...."you can lead a horse to water.....but you can't make him drink......same for people.....

Lots of people live their whole life in a huge storm.....and never seem to find calm seas.....Ever wonder why?
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Gunslinger, I gave up wondering why long ago. Now I just roll with it. Some people like the storm and if they don't have one will create one. My mother and one of my sisters was like this. So, I learned long ago to just let it be. I much prefer the peaceful seas. Perhaps that's why I prefer animals most times. At least their drama is honest and true and can mostly be solved.
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I don't think the OP is reading anymore. For those who don't know, the video in question was posted here: https://www.horseforum.com/member-jou...horses-710730/

After several members expressed concern, he requested the thread be closed. Then he proceded to open a new thread and post the same video again, which I think is an odd thing to do. The video was indeed made 8 months ago. One would hope he and his daughter would have learned a lot in this time. But if I had a video of myself teaching a horse to "put on his mean face" and encouraging it to act up in its stall, then being ridden by my child in a very precarious riding position from before I knew better, I probably wouldn't keep reposting it on the Internet.

I guess I'm just a big fat jerk.
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I agree that there are people who are very judgmental in any sport and not just in the horse world
I also agree that it is mostly the people who themselves know not that much, who are highly critical the most.
Any good horse trainer that I have taken clinics with, practices the concept that is generally accepted in teaching , which is to mix any critism equally with positive input
Most professional horse people will also ignore other riders, unless asked for imput, or if they notice some obvious abuse or un safe practice
In other words, I would not comment on your riding, were I there, unless you asked me to, but I would suggest, perhaps, that running the hose in the stall is not smart practice, as stalls are hard enough to keep dry, and perhaps to horse play with that hose outside
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