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post #41 of 74 Old 07-25-2014, 06:46 PM
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BKLD, I find you to be a quiet, gentle, intelligent young lady. It is obvious that horses are a part of your heart. This.will.happen.for.you. It may not happen the way you plan, think, or want, but one day you'll look back on your horseless life as a distant memory.

Keep immersing yourself with knowledge, take every hands on experience you can, and NEVER give up on what is in your heart!

I look forward to watching you gain experience and confidence.
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post #42 of 74 Old 07-25-2014, 06:53 PM
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BKLD-I have a few thoughts. I get wanting to raise a baby. I really do. I look at those Nurse mare foals and would dearly LOVE to bring one home. Then I talk to me BO and BFF-and reality hits. I have over 40 yrs of horse experience. My dad was a trainer many years ago. I have learned a ton over the years, but never so much as I have from my current horse. He was purchased as a weanling(he was a PMU baby) by some one who had NO experience with babies. They had a trainer working with them on CA techniques. Sounds great, huh?

Well-by the time he was 2, he had already double barreled his owner who was intent on him being "her baby" and spoiled him rotten-for the rest of his life. Literally. She then had him broke to ride. He spooked, bolted, and broke her clavicle. And-as a side line-he kicked her yet again. He then went to a lady who fortunately knew something…..and he was trail ridden-nothing else. Still VERY testy, and disrespectful at times. I get him, as I wanted a horse I could do arena and trails-and I am more comfortable with the arena…he had the trails down. You could put a monkey on him. So-I bring him home. He went directly to a trainer for 6 months, at $800/mo I spent every day there, helped the trainer and learned a TON. Most of all-how to deal with my horse, and that he may be ornery under saddle at times, but he is SAFE. On the ground-I will always have to watch him, as a result of the lady who gave him his "foundation". He then went to a reining trainer for 8 months at $700/mo. So-add it up. He is ONE heck of an expensive grade horse. And-if it was not for his looks-I will guarantee he would have been in an auction a LONG time ago. But-he is flashy. I do understand that I also paid for a great education, and I have grown a TON with him.

Good luck. It really is critical that the foundation is the best. I will also say that it may be tough to find an apprenticeship-depending on what you want. My reining trainer only takes folks who have a 4 yr equine degree. And even then, they do 2 yrs of grunt work and make no $$ while trying to pay off school loans. The guy who actually trained my guy (an apprentice) was wonderful-but he quit to go back to pharmacy school.

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post #43 of 74 Old 07-25-2014, 07:12 PM
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BKLD, I find you to be a quiet, gentle, intelligent young lady. It is obvious that horses are a part of your heart. This.will.happen.for.you. It may not happen the way you plan, think, or want, but one day you'll look back on your horseless life as a distant memory.

Keep immersing yourself with knowledge, take every hands on experience you can, and NEVER give up on what is in your heart!

I look forward to watching you gain experience and confidence.
I second this. I had one dream as a young person: to be a professional horse person. I allowed family pressure to keep me from realizing that dream. I did many other things with my life. Some were good. Others were not so good. Here I am, forty-four years old, recently married and settling down, and as soon as the grass began to grow under my feet, I was seeking a lease. My husband is beyond tolerant of the obsession. My family, upon hearing about the return to horses, all scratched their heads. "So that really wasn't just a teen thing?"

NO, Mom, it wasn't. It was all I ever wanted to do, and you mocked it and made it almost impossible. I have long since forgiven my family, but there is a part of me that will always regret that I wasn't more tenacious and less practical back then.

You'll rarely get wealthy with horses, but you'll be the richest person you know. Take the time now to start laying the foundation you need. In five years, you'll be a different person, with different, improved skills, and you'll know much more about the things you don't even know you don't know.
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post #44 of 74 Old 07-25-2014, 09:25 PM
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That's kind of where you and I have a different perspective. I see the entire experience of owning a horse as a good experience, and riding is just a small part of it. Maybe I'm just weird .
Please do not assume that I only own horses to ride. If you click on my profile and check out my horses, you will see that I own five. Only one of those five is rideable.

Please consider that there are horsepeople that have many years of experience owning, working with and riding horses and they are taking time to honestly answer your question. These people have real life experience and aren't just speaking from their hopes and dreams. Or, rather, perhaps they ARE speaking of hopes and dreams.. those dreams that, when they became reality, weren't all peaches and cream.

Can training up a horse be an awesome experience? Absolutely. But let me ask you a question: Do you like to ride? I'm assuming you do, because you are into horses. Yes, horses are more than just riding machines but their main purpose is to carry a rider (or pull a cart). One of the main reasons we are drawn to horses is to ride. There's a good chance if you didn't enjoy riding, you either wouldn't get into horses or you'd get a pasture sound horse you could simply watch and enjoy.

All I'm asking is that you consider the possibility that you will, at some point during those years when you cannot ride your young horse, wish you had a horse to ride. That wouldn't make you less of a horseperson or someone who "just wants to ride." It would make you a horseperson who enjoys RIDING.
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post #45 of 74 Old 07-25-2014, 09:27 PM
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As this thread has progressed and I've gotten to know you better, I better understand your dream. If you want it badly enough and work for it, it will happen. Don't let anyone deter you from pursuing your dream. It may take a little longer than you expect, but if you truly want it, you'll get there. I'm an "old, old lady (I told my grandmother once that she was an old, old lady and I'm still surprised at being alive! LOL) and like Skia, I let my family "guide" me. What a mistake!!! Horses weren't practical! No one in our family had horses....I was a freak! I should have stood my ground...but in those days, young women didn't stand their ground. They listened to their parents, made good marriages and oh so many of us gave up our dreams. Thank goodness the world has changed!

You have two major advantages: You know what you want, and you're willing to listen. You know what your passion is. Don't let ANYONE talk you out of it. You listen, so you will learn. All you have to do is guard against impatience. You'll get there. I look forward to watching you grow.
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post #46 of 74 Old 07-25-2014, 10:12 PM
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haven't read all the posts, but the ones I read were giving you some good advice; generally young horses and inexperienced riders are not a good mix. Its not an impossible mix though.

A few things can influence this.

How well you can actually ride, what I mean is how well can you stick to a horse while its turning inside out under you, even if you cant actually handle the horse that well, if you can stick good it helps. I have, years ago, know a few good bronc riders that could stick to anything but they couldn't ride that well.

Also do you have the people around you to learn from? if you do have them, right there on hand when you need them, then that's a huge help.

Then, what kind of horse do you want to have at the end of it? really good one or something that just passes, something "rideable" and maybe if you can hang on good that's OK?

And finally, how willing are you to get hurt? kicked, bitten thrown, struck, run over?

If all of that is no big deal, then you might pull it off. its how I learned, typically how most people learned back when I was a kid growing up on a cattle station in Australia. I was riding from about the time I could walk, but really started riding properly at about 7 or 8 mustering cattle for my uncle. I trained, or rather "trained" my first horse at 11 or 12 under the supervision of one of my uncle's stockmen. The horse was pretty rank, she ended up getting a busted knee and needing to be shot, but I started her. I started a few others like that too, all were pretty ordinary, but they got the job done. And I got hurt a lot, I have been thrown more times than I can remember, I have been run over and smashed up pretty bad, I was smashed off by a couple of trees and ended up with broken jaw, ribs and a tongue nearly bitten clean off. All of it was a result of riding, not just young horses, but some pretty rough horses.

On the other hand, when I learned how to do it the right way, things changed, I haven't been thrown in years (haven't trained many in the last few years either but the ones I have have barely even crow hopped) I learned a lot from one guy in particular, and a lot from the horses too, and it was much easier to learn from the good quiet horses that were already pretty well trained. Now horses I train are well mannered and move nicely and as quiet as a horse can generally get.

If you can do it safe, if you have really experienced people to go to right away, and if you have learned to actually ride a good going horse, so you know what one should be like, then you can probably start from scratch with a young horse. Otherwise be prepared for rough bad mannered horses, riding a rodeo most times you get on, getting thrown a lot, and getting thrown's not so bad, its the landing that hurts. I can assure you now that as I get closer to 40 the injuries I got when I was a kid, and in my 20s are coming back to haunt me now, when I have kids, Ill be making sure they do it the right way first and not go through the same.
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post #47 of 74 Old 07-25-2014, 11:08 PM
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I worked with Mocha myself from when he was 8 months up to almost 4 years old. Everything I did, and when I took him to the trainer he said I did a good job, a few holes, but pretty good. Pretty cheap up until this point. I sent him to a local trainer for $1000 which was a month and a half and board there was $650. Being that I wanted to continue having my trainer work with me I had to buy a trailer relative cheap for $2500. I then over the course of a year proceeded to continue working with my trainer twice a week at $45-60 a pop, depending on the time and whether he rode or just instructed me so at the least I was paying about $300 or more each month....for at least 10 months....$3000. I am not working right now so the training has stopped, but we will continue in the early fall. I will never be able to sell this horse and get back all the money I put into him, and I probably won't sell him unless circumstances dictate, but I'm awfully lucky I feel that he turned into a horse that I am compatible with. I wanted a trail horse specifically and he is the bravest horse on trail that my trainer has seen...I'm just lucky he did turn out to be what I wanted. Just know that working with a trainer on a regular basis is very expensive.
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post #48 of 74 Old 07-26-2014, 05:10 AM
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT: If you are going to want a weanling somewhere down the line, have you considered getting an older horse first? Older horses (I'm sure you have heard this a lot) can teach you so much. If you get an older steady horse to learn on it will give you lots to learn in a much safer way and you will start to get to know and get used to horse ownership because to reiterate ITS A BIG DEAL. You already said that you aren't dead set on riding so something that is trail/light riding sound might be perfect. Plus they sell for a lot less than they're worth (priceless).

Also: Are you planning on boarding or finding horse property?

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post #49 of 74 Old 07-26-2014, 12:01 PM Thread Starter
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skiafoxmorgan, I do know how to ride, but unfortunately what I lack is practice to put in all of the technique that I have learned over the years, and that will be remedied soon. I was very off balance in that photo, and I recognized it when I was there. I do tend to get a bit stiff and way off balance at times (anxiety), but I'm learning to control that. My hands were high actually because I was told to keep them up . I had my hands lower earlier. Perhaps I went too high? As for my heels...I swear, I need to learn to just kick my feet out of all stirrups and ignore them, because none of them are the right length, and I tend to try to reach to put my feet in.

I'm really not happy with hearing that you think I'm so bad with one photo. I know it wasn't a jab to hurt me, and yes, I do need practice, but I have been riding off and on for 18 years. I'm a novice, but at least I can stay on a horse through a few bucks (yes, I've ridden reactive horses before...probably wasn't smart, but I usually am balanced enough to stay on).

Thank you everyone. I'm definitely taking into account all that you have said, and I'm strongly considering getting an older horse first. I won't give up my dream, but maybe putting it off for a few years would be ideal. As I said, I would never want to harm a horse, nor would I ever want to get myself into a situation with one that I'm just not ready for. It really all depends on where I'm at later on. Thank you .
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OMG .. I missed the post where Ski assessed your riding ability from a single photo, taken on a horse you had never seen or been on before, in a saddle that didn't fit you, while we were all hootin' it up and goofing around and having fun. There is a MUCH worse photo of me on that same horse, that same day. You did just fine on her considering the circumstances. Ski wasn't there.

B .. you just keep marching toward your dream. You'll be fine!
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