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post #41 of 50 Old 10-29-2015, 06:48 PM
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Bsms,

I agree that balance is the most important to rode a horse correctly.

I have never been the tidiest of riders, my main attribute was that I have a natural feeling for balance. Under the age of seven I taught myself to rode a bicycle which was my father's - as it was to big for me I learned by puting my leg under the cross bar.

Spooks are readable, it might only be a nth of a second warning but it is there learning this and the reaction to take is another matter!

Had a girl work with me. She was very much self taught, lots of 'faults'

We had gone out for a rode on two green TBs. we were waiting at the end of a track for a car to come down the road, quite relaxed on long reins, horses chilled out.
The car was only yards away from us when something crashed through the hedge behind us. Both horses naturally jumped forward, before they had got a stride, both of us had gathered up our reins and pulled them up.

The crash was a round bale of hay that had run away down the hill and through the hedge across the track and through the other hedge, would have been nasty if anyone had been in the way!

Our reaction was instinctive, we heard the crash the same time as the horses, one hand on the rein pulled the rein up to a contact whilst the other gathered both reins thus enabling us to stop them before they were in front of the car.
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It's worth noting the horses that are naturally more nervous/on edge/spooky and the horses that only do it when you're around.
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Totally disagree. Every horse is an individual.

One of my mares is older - don't tell her though, she's under the impression she's 2. I have had her 12.5 years, so certainly that would be long enough to build up a bond or trust of sorts. I've had more than enough time to take things slow with her, yet this is quite honestly the hottest and spookiest horse I have ever dealt with - and I've dealt with a large number over the years. This horse could be described as a bit of a "loose screw" so to speak.

My other mare is now 9, I purchased her as a 4 year old after she had been abandoned in a field and left to die essentially and stuck on the meat truck. She has been the quietest mare since day one ..thank god since she's a moose at 17.3h and I am only 5'1". She is the horse that since the beginning I can literally stick anyone on. If I ever have "green" friends who want to "ride the pretty pony" they get to plunk around on her - she is as safe as safe gets and has always been that way.
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Bsms it is always something that I do have to think about and that is the distances over there.

People say they cannot get a vet out until three or four days time. Here I could have anyone of a dozen vets attend in an emergency. I guess it is the same with instructors.

Mind you, there are more poor instructors working here nowadays.

One book you would find interesting to read is Riding Logic, Wilhelm Museler. Gives you some very good exercises on and off the horse. Published in 1937, I just googled it and there are some for sale on US Amazon for a couple of bucks.

Well worth it.
While I don't live completely out in the boonies like some folks in the farther western or northern states, my area is very rural. I used to have 2 vets...now I have 1 (or rather, one office with 2 attending vets on site). There are other vet offices an hour or more driving distance, but I am not familiar with any of them.

As for instructors, there are NONE to be had anywhere around me. Your only chance is making friends with a cowboy who is willing to teach you how to ride....or trying to figure it out for yourself.

Books can be a wonderful tool for someone who already has an idea of what is supposed to happen, but not the exact details on how to ask for it. However, nothing beats a good pair of experienced eyes on the ground. I frequently ask for advice and suggestions from my Dad, both on my riding and on any training issues I may be having.
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It's worth noting the horses that are naturally more nervous/on edge/spooky and the horses that only do it when you're around.
Yes, I have come across some horses with nervous owners and the horses are fine with a solid rider. Because both my horses are "hot," I've had it suggested to me (more than once!) that if I could feel more calm, they would be calmer. I'm extremely critical of myself and although I feel confident when I ride my horses, I've put excellent riders on both of them to make sure nothing could be attributed to my own riding.

I'm very truthful about my ability, but I've ridden more than 70 horses and can easily get on a horse I've never ridden and go for a gallop in open country. Had a blast in Australia last year on a Thoroughbred in Kalbarri, the guide took me out and we had a wild gallop through the dunes. With all the horses I've ridden, I know that I can give confidence to green and inexperienced horses, and if I get on a new horse it will generally be very calm. My endorphins don't react to much since over the years I've come off horses so many times, that my brain has begun to accept it. I'm sure it would be the same if you parachuted out of planes on a daily basis. Soon you'd just feel calm falling through the sky. But 90% of the falls I've had off horses have been coming off my spooky mare, during her early training.

Although some horses lose confidence when their handler or rider is nervous, you can't create a calm and confident horse out of a nervous wreck just by being solid, calm and steady.

It is interesting that it is a pervasive thought that if a horse is nervous, then the rider or handler must be. I've known many unflappable horsemen with very anxious horses, but that's because they're the ones who can safely handle and teach these types. The horse will improve as much as it can, if they have this type of owner or handler.
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One of Mia's hardest spooks came when I was relaxed enough I was about to drop the stirrups:

https://www.horseforum.com/horse-ridi...5/#post4940497

Riders ask "How?" Horsemen ask "Why?"
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Bsms,
Excellent story...you have a great way of making it so real a person can visualize it happening. Also a good illustration of how being relaxed doesn't always help a situation.
It always amazes me how many people get on their horses with the reins looped and hanging down by the horse's knees. I guess they don't realize how far the horse can get in the amount of time it would take to gather up that much rein. Which in general is fine, except when the horses I've mounted on that are "trained to stand" decide not to, they usually head somewhere very awkward like underneath a low overhang, or over the top of a bank.
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Some horses will always have it in them to do something untoward.

My most favourite horse, Tom, was so nappy when he first came to me took me ages to get him out of it. Even after he knew it wouldn't work he would throw in the odd antic just to make sure I was awake!

The only time I did fall from him he was so shocked, he looked at me with his eyes staring as if to say, "I never meant that to happen!"
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Yes! You can have your heels down and your back straight and win your class and still be the first to fall off. Not a month goes by that I don't run across another post somewhere about how somebody (usually Parelli) has no idea how to ride a horse. So the fact that he rode bucking horses for 14 years and stayed on 98% of them to the buzzer means nothing, because it doesn't look correct.

Sure, theoretically we could stay on better if we employed all the finer points of classical equitation, but my definition of riding ability is being able to keep one leg on each side of the horse. And until you develop your balance, you'll never stay on in a pinch, no matter how pretty you look.
But these things are not mutually exclusive, you can ride well, look good and stay on, it's kind of the goal of most of us, to have a sticky seat but also be a good rider.

Sticking on a bucking horse is no mean feat, not something I could do, but it really has nothing to do with riding in the real world, it is a stylised sport, where you gain points for form, form that is not going to help you in the real world
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Sticking on a bucking horse is no mean feat, not something I could do, but it really has nothing to do with riding in the real world, it is a stylised sport, where you gain points for form, form that is not going to help you in the real world
No one ever awarded me points for staying in some of the buckers I have ridden!

The boarding school that rode with the riding school had a lot of international girls.

A new girl, from Japan, started riding. She was a really good rider, had the horse she was riding working on the bridle, really good position and a neat little rider.

The first couple of rides were in the arena and then we rode down to the beach. She was riding an Anglo Arab, well,schooled and a very good competition horse.

First canter I sent them all individually and then we had a charge. This really good rider was shocked, she really never knew that a horse could take a hold on the bridle or travel as fast. Her 'perfect' position and ability to get a horse on the bit meant nothing riding in the real world! All her riding had been done in an indoor arena.

I will say she was a jolly good sport. Last ride with the seniors we went to the beach, had a great ride charging along, jumping breakwaters. The tide was coming in as we returned.
This girl was riding my mare and as we were heading home, I sent them one at a time along the beach for the last short canter. I sent her first.
There was an unjumpable breakwater, as the tide had gone out it had pulled the sand away from the end of it so there was a deep puddle around it. The sea was coming into the puddle and this girl, not knowing, instead of going into the sea, kept close to the breakwater. The horse was stopped dead, went base over apex and th girl was having a swimming lesson.

When the rest of us got there she was diving and then coming up to dove again.

I yelled out to get out the water and she said, "I am looking for my spectacles!"

Brave girl as it was mid winter!
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