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post #11 of 14 Old 03-12-2019, 09:09 AM
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And yes, I use primarily positive reinforcement training too Kriva, but I have bought a shock collar & used it to get her off the chickens, which she's so smitten with she eats any feathers she finds! And to prevent her chasing kangaroos when we're out on the trails. Trouble is, she knows when the collar is on - it doesn't help when it's off, although I did take care to try to disassociate the collar & me to the punishment, by having her wear it without risk, etc.

It's interesting how they associate something as simple as a collar with a certain action. Our dog is used to blood trail wounded or dead deer, hogs, and turkey. Because of snakes and hogs she wears two special collars when she's put on a trail. One is a large protective collar that covers her neck and protects that area against hog attacks since they will go for the throat when threatened. The other is a tracking collar with a GPS unit on it so we can follow her if she moves too fast or find her if she gets too far away from us. When she sees us getting those collars out she gets super excited!! It's like she's a completely different dog. She loves working and knows those are her working collars.

We've been wanting to get chickens or guinea fowl but we know that's going to be a huge battle with her. She's very trainable but we know we'd lose too many birds in the training process.
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We've been wanting to get chickens or guinea fowl but we know that's going to be a huge battle with her. She's very trainable but we know we'd lose too many birds in the training process.
We have had free range birds with our dogs for years, but this one... she is definitely not to be trusted. The chooks are penned when the dogs are out without us. So we can set up training sessions when we are supervising. So she's learned to leave the birds alone when we're round, but I wouldn't trust this girl if we're not there to work the collar.

They have to be penned at night & when we're out anyway, due to foxes & cats, so we needed to build a yard for them anyway. Guinea fowl can fly so they'd probably be ok anyway.

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When we lived in the desert there were a lot of folks offering the snake training. We had 3 Jack Russells and since they are pretty territorial and aggressive, I thought it would be a good idea to do it with them. Every single trainer told me I would be wasting my money, the training didn't take on Russells. So, I've got to say, "It depends". Depends on just how bull headed and bloody minded the dog is. It worked for more amenable breeds. Since my 3 worked in a pack, the one time they cornered a Mojave Green, they kept him so busy that he couldn't strike one without the other 2 killing him and I was able to come up behind and take his head off before he could do anything to anybody. Scared the liver and lights right out of me. His head was as big as my palm.
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Although I have an archaic approach to training dogs and been blessed with breeding and training a good minded line. I would not be opposed to exposing my dogs to a few minutes of unpleasure to possibly save their life or eliminate a huge vet bill.
I agree the temperament of the dog needs to be considered before strapping on a shock collar and holding the button down causing him to do the funky chicken.

When my brother moved to AZ from up north (like dream said, Mojave Greens, I believe to be the most venomous snake in North America) he put his dogs through snake avoidance.
A little different than the video, owner walks dog down a path outside, snakes are in cages hidden, trainer is behind with controller, snake rattles or dog gets curious, trainer hits controller, owner and dog are to run.
Brother has Blue heelers, said it worked. They spent a lot of time in the desert and dogs stayed away from snakes.
Plus brother is a logger in the NW takes his dogs, plenty of rattlesnakes still no issue.

Sky jalepenos(yellow jackets) different issue ;)
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