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post #1 of 17 Old 02-16-2020, 07:18 PM Thread Starter
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Two saddles that probably don't fit Pony

I decided to start a new thread for the new saddles I'm trying. @unclearthur said the W/XW gullet probably wouldn't be wide enough, but since I had the gullet and the saddle I decided to go ahead and try it. I will say that I don't think Pony liked this saddle (Thorowgood) very much. Here are some pictures.
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I'm sorry, I couldn't get these to attach quite the way I wanted, but hopefully it makes sense.



These are pictures of the saddle with me in it. I thought my weight might change the fit enough that I asked my daughter to take some closeups of front and back with me in it.

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Two pictures of me (sitting and moving) with the stirrups long like I like them. But I couldn't post like this, not at all.
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So I had to adjust the stirrups up, which made posting OK, but my legs felt weird.

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Now for the free saddle. It's the one I posted about maybe having something wrong with the tree. So I also took some pictures of it from the bottom.
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I sat in this one on Pony but didn't try to ride in it. It's still giving me weird vibes. I'll ride him in it if you guys think it's worth a try.

I also had my daughter take a picture of the back with me sitting in it, because I really though my weight would squish it down and change the fit.
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I dislike the way the panels are angled on the second saddle; as I would much prefer a flatter panel to evenly spread weight better. These panels look like they would cause pressure points/sore points on your horse's back. I also would steer clear of any saddle that has potential tree problems. It is costly to get a broken tree fixed and you'd be better off just buying a different saddle.

It looks like there is decent spinal clearance with both saddles. You say pony didn't like the first one? What did he do?
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I don't like either saddle for fit to pony or to you yourself...
First saddle to me has a strange way of sitting on his spine, not centered and tilted and don't think it is Pony resting a hoof...the entire saddle looks canted to me, off-center and panels not evenly stuffed for some reason.

I also don't see you sitting in the sweet spot of seat depth but further back on the cantle...you need to slide your crotch forward and sit in the saddle not on top of the saddle.
As soon as you shortened your stirrup you barely fit in the saddle flap area with your long femur length.

2nd saddle....nope, nope, nope...
First picture showing the underneath panels...look at the gullet channel critically...
To my eyes it is not even nor straight but angles inward.
With you sitting on the saddle look at the "touch" on Ponies back and how pointed and angled the one side rear panel is compared to the other...
Just something is really off...
Don't know what or why but gut instinct should not be ignored when you feel this strongly about it..

I don't like how either saddle fits the animal.
I also realize you were not fully girthed up with the second saddle, but look at how the girth is so angled even loosely...that alone should tell you something is wrong with fit..
There is a clear difference in how the first saddle sat and the second with where the girth fit in the groove.
Pass positively on saddle #2...

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The first saddle is probably not back quite far enough.
If you lift your horse's front leg and feel where the shoulder blade rotates back to, the saddle nail (brad on the pommel area) should sit behind that. This looks too far back to most people. Especially if you are used to using saddles that are too narrow and sit up on top of the withers.

Are there three billets on this saddle, and is your girth on the front two?
Horses like this with a forward girth groove can really benefit from forward billets. If they are too far back, the girth will slide forward and take the saddle up onto the horse's shoulder which can be very uncomfortable for the horse and even cause bucking.
Here is an example of a saddle with the billets back that will only work on a horse with slab sides and a long girth groove.

Here are forward billets that help with round horses and ones with forward girth grooves.


Your girth also looks too thick for a horse with a forward girth groove and may interfere with his leg movement or rub. Shorter girths are also much more stable on round horses. The buckles need to be above the elbow height, however.


If the saddle was level when sitting at the correct spot, then I would say it might work OK if the billets were forward enough to not pull the saddle forward. However, it does look like the seat is too small for you. Your femur is too long for the seat.
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@cbar I'm glad you saw this, I was going to tag you otherwise. I feel like he didn't like the first saddle because he pinned his ears and swished his tail when asked to trot, which is unusual for him. When I got up into two-point, he seemed happier, but still much less happy than when ridden bareback. His trot also seemed a lot smaller and choppier, not open like it was when riding bareback.

@gottatrot I realized that about the saddle being too far forward at some point, so I got off and fixed it. But I didn't take any pictures of it on his back like that. He seemed a little happier once I had fixed that, but still not super happy.

And yes the saddle a really interesting billet set up. The instructions on the website said to start with the girth where I put it (second and last billet straps) at first. Then, if it creeps forward, to change where it's attached. I will do that for sure, when the saddle fitter comes, and maybe take pictures of it also.

Really interesting about the girth. If I end up with a normal saddle, and not a treeless, I'm going to re-evaluate my whole girthing set-up. I was reading some other stuff about girthing the round, no-withered pony, and I need to ask the experts here what you guys think about it. Also, maybe the dressage saddle (the last saddle I ordered, the one I'm waiting for the right gullet to come) will be better because of that. I do have a true mohair string girth that fits him (or used to) with a dressage saddle that has the longer billets. That girth is nice and thin.

@horselovinguy I guess that's what people mean about my supposedly long legs. I love Pony, but if I had realized how much of a mis-match I was, size-wise, for him, and all of the problems it would cause, I'm not sure if I would still have gotten him.

Once the new gullet comes for the last (dressage) saddle, I will try it. I'm worried now that the gullet is going to be too narrow, but I guess we'll just see what happens and go from there.

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@gottatrot I realized that about the saddle being too far forward at some point, so I got off and fixed it. But I didn't take any pictures of it on his back like that. He seemed a little happier once I had fixed that, but still not super happy.

And yes the saddle a really interesting billet set up. The instructions on the website said to start with the girth where I put it (second and last billet straps) at first. Then, if it creeps forward, to change where it's attached. I will do that for sure, when the saddle fitter comes, and maybe take pictures of it also.

Really interesting about the girth. If I end up with a normal saddle, and not a treeless, I'm going to re-evaluate my whole girthing set-up. I was reading some other stuff about girthing the round, no-withered pony, and I need to ask the experts here what you guys think about it. Also, maybe the dressage saddle (the last saddle I ordered, the one I'm waiting for the right gullet to come) will be better because of that. I do have a true mohair string girth that fits him (or used to) with a dressage saddle that has the longer billets. That girth is nice and thin.
For my round horse with a forward girth groove, those flat mohair girths worked best. Also if you do end up with treeless, the shorter girths help prevent the saddle from slipping side to side.
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@horselovinguy I guess that's what people mean about my supposedly long legs. I love Pony, but if I had realized how much of a mis-match I was, size-wise, for him, and all of the problems it would cause, I'm not sure if I would still have gotten him.
Actually, you are not a disproportionate size for Pony.
He covers most of your leg well when extended and certainly when shorter stirrup.
No horse that I know of carries their head & neck equal to the torso and head height of a rider naturally.

For me, finding a saddle for you would mean finding a saddle with a more forward flap so your longer femur is covered.
I also would like to see you in 1/2" -1" larger a seat size to see if that made a difference in your ability to sit the sweet spot of balance between butt, saddles seat, stirrup bars and help to give you the added fine-tuned balance we all can use to our benefit.
As saddle parts are made to balance a saddle together, just sitting in a larger sized seat may fix many issues you currently have in fit I see by just looking at pictures.
Pony's fitting issues are a different matter than yours though.
What size seat are you trying if I can ask?

I know my English saddle is a 17.5" close contact.
I rode the exact same saddle in a 17" and there was a marked difference in sweet spot placing me deepest, length and shape of the flap. Surprised was I..
I was astonished to see it, but pictures do not lie when "fitting"...
I wanted to try a 18" to see what would happen, what it would feel like, but there were none available and we fit the 17.5 and were comfortable so 17.5 is what I bought...

It is only a number was told and that is true...and Pony can carry a larger saddle too!
Something to think about...
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For my round horse with a forward girth groove, those flat mohair girths worked best. Also if you do end up with treeless, the shorter girths help prevent the saddle from slipping side to side.
Agreed. The roper-style endurance mohair girths are the best in my opinion because I have a horse with similar shaping (rotund in winter, forward girth groove all year round). The wider base on the endurance ones really help prevent saddle slipping, particularly with treeless. Iíve been riding in my new-to-me Freeform and just use my short mohair girth, and a breastcollar and Iíve got no slipping at all. I need to get a shorter one though because my 20Ē one is too long for the Freeform and almost at the top of the billets. The only downside to them is theyíre not cheap, so be prepare for a little sticker shock, but they are worth every cent.
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