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Here its not really used unitl you move higher up the scale so no not everyone knows what it means
 

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That is borderline abuse to me, sorry English people. Making a horse run at speed, jumps over and over again that if they miss can seriously damage them, whipping them to go faster, what's the point?

Eventing was originally a military test for mounted officer and his horse. The cross country phase tests not only bravery, but endurance and trust between the team as well. While yes, the horses are moving at a fairly quick pace at the upper levels, they're balanced on the approaches for each jump or else there would be no more horses to ride cross country on. The jumps themselves, especially now considering the past rotational falls, injuries, etc. are almost all made with frangible pins that (while the technology is not perfected) are designed to break under high amounts of force, i.e. a horse falling on one, etc. And most people worry more about clearing each jump, THEN they worry about time. It's not like riders are beating their horses constantly on course to make them run faster. At the upper levels these horses are in extremely good condition and if they weren't they would drop not even halfway through from exhaustion. At the lower levels, particularly novice and beginner novice (not sure what they're called elsewhere, sorry) horses are really just moving at a canter, novice horses at maybe a slightly more brisk canter. They're not racing headlong around course, that's why we have what's called a speed fault time, if you go too fast you WILL get penalized and you can even be disqualified if your riding is deemed unsafe.

While it might not seem like anything special/fun/etc. to you, to a lot of eventers it's a whole lot of fun and the sport is a tradition, like most equestrian sports. I don't understand the point of reining, or western pleasure, but I do understand that people who compete in those sports enjoy them so who am I to judge? No whole sport is abuse. Abuse comes from the riders, not the sport itself.
 

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Well, actually not EVERYONE is eventer (and some don't even ride English). :wink: It's totally impossible to know everything in world, especially if it's out of your scope of knowledge.
That was my thought too.

I do not think anyone is really saying they are shocked that they used meter per minute. People are saying they do not event so they did not know the abbreviation.


That helmet cam must have some amazing image stabilizing functions associated with it. No bounce to that video at all.

Loved watching the horses ears.

mliponoga, watching that horses ears I would not even slightly think that was abuse. That horse appears to like its job.

Be careful screaming abuse about other equestrian sports that you do not do. Just because people are not poking at your sport of choice right now does not mean it is not next down the line. Equestrians need to stick together and have a united front about good equine care and enjoying our individual sports. Not put huge divides in there that allows others to enter and pull down all equestrian activities one at a time.
 

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Hmmm...that's actually cool the jumps are made to give. I didn't know that. Thanks for that info. Some of the stuff I still don't understand though is I've seen jumps that they jump 3' and then fall down 6'. Why? How in the world is that good for their joints to fall 6'?
 

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For the most part jumps on advanced level courses are around 4'3", spreads can get much large, and drops are around 5'-6'. Obviously jumping of any kind is hard on a horse's joints. These upper level horses MUST have good, dense bone and very, very good leg conformation to even make it up to this level in the first place. On top of that, most of them will only ever do those huge down banks at competitions, so it's not like once a week they're going out to hop down 6' down banks. Not to mention it takes an incredible amount of upkeep and conditioning to keep these horses going. I believe Anebel mentioned on another topic that per international level competition horse it's near $8,000-$10,000 in upkeep alone every month, when you consider the near constant soundness exams, farrier bills, etc. etc. Some horses will have more wear and tear than others, of course, but for the most part the biggest job is making sure the horses stay sound. If there's even the slightest issue they'll be taken off work for at least a few days, even if there's only a little heat in one leg and they're not actually lame. The utmost care is taken with these animals to keep the fit for the level they're at, and if they don't come up to par then they won't be competed. At any international level event there are what we call jogs in the mornings before dressage (first phase) and before show jumping (last phase). There are multiple vets and others assessing every single horse that is still in the competition, and if there is any doubt whatsoever the horse will be retired and not be able to finish the competition.
 

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Cross country courses are supposed to represent what you could find while riding across open country. Naturally there will be big logs and ditches, etc. etc. and even big drops. Because of its military background and the fact that the cavalry was expected to cross whatever terrain it was faced with and jump over whatever happened to be in the way, course designers have, over the years that it's been a competitive sport, continued to include such things as large drops and other odd looking things like old wagons. Of course they've also gotten more creative and have designed some pretty neat jumps, like the rainbow trout that was seen in one of the water complexes at the WEGs this year in Kentucky or the canadian goose jump.
 

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That is borderline abuse to me, sorry English people. Making a horse run at speed, jumps over and over again that if they miss can seriously damage them, whipping them to go faster, what's the point?
I've never seen a video of barrel racing that didn't look abusive to me.
 

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That's what I don't get though, so the horse can jump 4'3" and run for 15 mins straight. That's all good by me, but why drop 6'? It just seems unnecessary does it not?
It also shows how fearless a horse can be. They have to trust their rider, as a calvary mount would, and trust that the rider will never put them in unnecessary danger. And riding drops is just plain fun :)
 

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That helmet cam must have some amazing image stabilizing functions associated with it. No bounce to that video at all.

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I'd put some of that to the fact that this rider has a really nice, stable position too. REally, when you look at a rider, the upper body shouldn't be moving much because the lower body is absorbing the shock of the gallop (because you're up in galloping position)
 

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That is borderline abuse to me, sorry English people. Making a horse run at speed, jumps over and over again that if they miss can seriously damage them, whipping them to go faster, what's the point?
Well, I find a lot of western events abusive, but I don't go around saying it on bords. I try to understand it more before making harsh judgments.
 

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That is borderline abuse to me, sorry English people. Making a horse run at speed, jumps over and over again that if they miss can seriously damage them, whipping them to go faster, what's the point?
If you watched eventers (and same stands for dressage and jumping), many horses LOVE what they do. And they are very well cared for and most riders don't push them beyond the abilities (although there are always exceptions, but it's as true for western people too).
 

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That helmet cam must have some amazing image stabilizing functions associated with it. No bounce to that video at all.
That's what I found to be amazing too. I guess the rider is just so balanced and smooth in his movements, that it keeps it very stable down there on helmet. Otherwise I just can't imagine any stabilizer to keep it from bouncing.
 

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I'd put some of that to the fact that this rider has a really nice, stable position too. REally, when you look at a rider, the upper body shouldn't be moving much because the lower body is absorbing the shock of the gallop (because you're up in galloping position)
I do not disagree, this rider I am sure has a wonderful position.



In some places during the video you can see his shadow. You can see his upper body moving. That is not represented in the video. So, though I agree the rider has a good position, this camera set up must have some sort of system to accommodate the bounce and movement of riding and still provide a smooth video. Notice it was not even jumpy when he dismounted.
 

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No. 600. Meters. Per. Minute. It's how every xc is mesured. Bn goes at 350, novice at 375-400, training at 400-450, prelim at 400-475, most intermidates run at 550 and advanced/four star usually runs 575-600 meters per minute. That's how you get your minute markers.
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Haha! Way to set 'em straight!! :p
Yes guys, she is right about 600 mpm.
 

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Haha, I love my minute markers :) some people hate them (my friend who runs intermediate.... He's odd lol) but some love them, like my team and me :) we write them on our arms in sharpie so we an see em as we ride, it looks like unreadable scribbles to everyone but us lol!
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^ I do the same Stormy! Minute markers are my life savers. I love love love them and always write them down the side of my arm, along with my OT and SFT.
 

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That is borderline abuse to me, sorry English people. Making a horse run at speed, jumps over and over again that if they miss can seriously damage them, whipping them to go faster, what's the point?
Sorry, but at least in my horse's case you are horribly misinformed. I have trouble keeping my down to the pace I'm supposed to be galloping because my horse loves to run through the woods and open fields and hurling himself over solid obstacles. He gets all proud of himself and blows out a happy snort after each fence. He has a an absolute ball. I was at the XC phase at WEG and don't recall seeing a single whip raised the entire day. Please don't lump us all in with the few that may push their horses a bit.
 
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