Correction: Thinking it through, I don't believe you really push down into the stirrup with your quadriceps (front of the thigh), but with the hamstring muscles (posterior thigh).
This made me smile! Well written.So he decided he would just not be able to make it home tonight. He thought we should just head back down the road, the way we came. I wonder what he would do if I left him. Would he eventually get up the courage, or just go find somewhere else to live?
I think that's probably right. I am so grateful that I had the chance to go all the way through school for a PhD, because the entire premise is all about questioning, exploring, learning, changing direction. Sure, there are some PhDs who couldn't find their way out of an open box because they have no common sense, but for me, it was an opportunity to think, debate, ask questions, debate some more- that was the point. You don't get that experience a lot of other ways, except around the dinner table like @gottatrot described with her dad. I have a relationship with my dad like that too. Rather than avoiding politics, whenever we talk we just jump right in, and we couldn't really be further apart on the political spectrum. Sure, we know how to push each other's buttons, but if I want to understand what "the other side" is thinking about something in a rational way, I'll try to figure it out by talking to him.It isn't just HF. Debate on most forums and on most issues becomes problematic. Much is now rooted in emotion
Totally agree. Most people would think we're pretty weird and boring given the long, rambling debates we have, but I wouldn't have it any other way.My closest friends challenge my opinions all the time! My wife has no trouble challenging my opinion and we've been married 34 years. I learn far more from those who challenge me than from those who "affirm" me!
No, of course not! I appreciate comments when they come, but we're all working with horses, fighting winter, dealing with concussed kids, illnesses, etc. Or avoiding trimming that bush that's grown too tall outside the window, putting up curtains, paying bills, doing the taxes early...just the thought makes me want to get on the forum.Now I’m reading backwards. Lol. I see you tagged me too a couple times! I am not a fan of the new format yet.
ETA- I’m sorry I forgot! I must have seemed a terrible friend.
Exactly, I also enjoy debate and never mind people approaching me with INFORMED OPINIONS, what I can't stand and have no respect for is back talk without any discussion. And also basic respect for different opinions, not simply you dont think exactly as I do, so therefore you are stupid or less than. I dont get that mind set. So many people with strong opinions and no knowledge or any kind of cognitive flexibility or respect for different points of view. It drives me insane, so I had to learn to just accept some people will forever remain small because they refuse to expand or be open to differences.What he taught me though was that a) It's not worth having a belief if you're unable to defend it against opposition. b) A belief is only defensible if you can use logic and indisputable evidence to support it rather than vague ideas or emotions. c) Not every belief has enough information available to support it one way or another. d) If there is nothing to support an argument one way or another, it is fine to have opposing views. c) If you hold a view despite clear evidence to the contrary, you're unwise. d) Always be open to learning you are wrong and changing your mind.
I agree 100% however I did not get a chance to read the thread. I think people want blind agreement and do not know how to accept challenge, discussion or working through ideas. So instead of developing a mature response and seeing it as impersonal discussion, they see disagreement as confrontation and a threat to their being.It was frustrating that thread got shut down, but I was not surprised. This is not really a place where people are interested in, as you said, debate and being asked to defend ideas. Ironically, it’s a little like pressure and release-you state your perspective, get pushed to the edge of your ability to create an argument, and then if you’ve done that well the other person backs off a bit to reflect. For whatever reason being asked to defend a position makes a lot of people uncomfortable-and even makes people not involved uncomfortable just as observers. I think our collective ability to tolerate being a little uncomfortable is nil at this moment in time.
I was really enjoying following the thread but not posting as I really don’t think of myself as having enough training experience to have a well formed opinion. At a lot of points in reading the discussion, I wanted to hear people apply what they were saying to real situations. Like the people saying you treat your way out of spooking and bolting-how do you apply that to a horse spooking in the direction of oncoming traffic, down a rocky embankment full of loose gravel, into a hot electric fence? Unless you’re sitting on top of your horse like a floppy stuffed bear, surely there are times when you apply negative reinforcement in the form of redirecting your horses body in a particular direction?
Anyway, hopefully “they” will open the discussion back to as it was interesting to follow.
I agree. I have a lot of friends who regularly challenge me and my perspectives, it's mutually beneficial and leads to a lot of growth. What needs to be taught is how to maturely and respectfully handle disagreement, rather than avoiding it outright. That is essential for us to grow and become more well rounded and knowledgeable, we need to be free to disagree and debate ideas rooted in reason and evidence. It is absurd how much science denial goes around for the sake of feelings and catering to opinions. I dont get it.It isn't just HF. Debate on most forums and on most issues becomes problematic. Much is now rooted in emotion: I feel, therefor I don't need to think. Others are supposed to "affirm" your feelings, not challenge them. I've battled weight issues my entire life. I'm extremely sympathetic to anyone struggling with their weight. But I draw the line at "affirming" someone who weighs 500 lbs is perfect just as they are. I'm not "fat-shaming". I'm not being hateful. Just....logical? But logic is hated and resented by a lot of people now. Debate used to be a taught in school. Now it's evil.
My closest friends challenge my opinions all the time! My wife has no trouble challenging my opinion and we've been married 34 years. I learn far more from those who challenge me than from those who "affirm" me!
I was frustrated with that thread. It was time for me to leave it regardless. When phrases like "child abuser" get tossed into a thread on training horses, not much good will follow.
Also: While I'm not a Clinton Anderson fan, at least I know he rides horses! I can watch him ride, and train, and decide what I think. If someone is going to instruct others on how to ride/train a horse, I'd like to know they've been on one.
I have a lot of catching up to do, but got the alert about this mention.. and now I am picking myself up off the floor from my hysterics.