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A Rascal and a Hero

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My previous journal was called "Why I Gotta Trot." It was getting insanely long, so I decided to begin a new one with a new phase in my horse life.

This is Hero in May of 2018 shortly after I first ended up with him. He had recently undergone a name change from Rascal to Hero.

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Hero was an off track TB who was raced at 5 several times, then retired. He ended up at a rescue, where he was rehomed three times and returned. My friend was told this was because he was still green (he was 9 years old by then), and no one had taken the time to work with him. Later I was to find out that one of the people who returned him to the rescue was a horse trainer.

My friend took him, hoping to give him some experience and then her beginner boyfriend would have a horse to ride. Unfortunately, Hero turned out to be too much horse for her boyfriend. I was the one who had put most of the riding on him in the five months she owned him, so she ended up giving him to me. I knew by then he had "issues," but had grown attached.

This is Hero more recently:
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Here is a timeline of how things have changed between when I first met him in October of 2017 until now.

Oct 26, 2017-Feb 22, 2018:

My friend adopts Rascal. We think of him as being a green horse. Her beginner boyfriend get tossed off right away a couple of times. I mostly ride him, keeping things calm for his new owner. At first Rascal seems fairly calm - overwhelmed, and somewhat shut down. When we begin taking him out more, he starts spooking more and begins to buck at times.

He cannot really pick up canter, which I chalk up to him being green. On the lunge he canters disunited. The vet does a check, does not find anything really wrong. He does not seem to like bits but finally we try an mullen mouth Kimberwicke, which he seems to prefer.

Feb 22, 2018-June 1 2018:

I begin to notice there is more than a green horse here. I suspect serious physical issues. I wonder about SI joint damage. He acts like he has been treated like a machine. He is tense when handled and defensive. On April 20, it is decided he will not be a good match for his beginner owner. I take over ownership, knowing there may be some physical problems as well as behavioral ones, but I have grown attached. He begins to get better at understanding cues and after lots of rides responds well, although he still is spooky and bucks a lot.

June 1, 2018-August 28th, 2018:

A pattern is emerging. I notice that I can predict when he will buck, hop or kick out. He has issues especially in deep footing and going down hills. From online information, I decide he may have locking stifles. Trimming his hind hooves based on that idea seems to help a bit. The vet diagnoses him on July 18 with Intermittent Upward Fixation of Patellas. He is started on Equioxx. By the end of July, he is having rides with less bucking and even sometimes no bucking.

August 28th, 2018-Nov 21, 2018:

The trial of Equioxx is over. More riding and rehab including massage and stretching. At times he seems better, but has serious toe wear on hinds even though using boots for riding. Gradually seems to lose strength again in hind end despite exercise.

Nov 21st, 2018- March 24, 2019:

Restarted on Equioxx. I see Hero gallop for the first time on the lunge line. Suddenly, he begins using his hind end more and starts rearing under saddle. Apparently he would always have liked to rear, but was not strong enough. On Dec. 8th he gets stifles injected. By the end of December he does not seem to mind being brushed all over with a soft brush, his canter is getting stronger and there is less bucking.

Hero continues to improve and have better and better days. By spring he seems to push off with hinds in the trot with some spring and less toe drag. On the 24th of March I note in my journal “Best Ride Ever.”

March 24, 2019-Jan 2020: Many good rides. Now it seems any residual bucking and behavioral issues relate to learned behavior rather than reaction to pain. If upset or nervous, he will throw in a buck or hop. Now they are basically his “spook.” On occasion if the footing is bad or we slip on a hill, I can tell his stifles do slip and he gives a buck or kick.
By July I feel I know Hero and his reactions, and can give a reprimand if he gets too worked up, and he will settle things down again. He begins to calm down very fast, within seconds after getting upset.

Jan 2020- Aug 2020: Expressiveness has come down in intensity. He does not feel the need to displace nerves onto the handler with snapping teeth or barging, and if I brush too hard or do something he dislikes, he does not feel he has to pin his ears, glare or show over the top body language. I can tell we are communicating much better and that he has crossed another threshold of trust, really believing it is safe to go out with me unless something very scary shows up.

August 2020- present: Continuing to build a relationship, it is starting to feel like we are real partners. I’ve learned that Hero is more fearful when out alone than I realized, similar to how Amore used to be. Since he tends to stop and look more often than prance and snort, I thought he was braver than he really was. In a new environment it is easier to see. This year I am working on gradually improving on his bravery with frequent rides around a 2.5 mile route by himself.
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This is a really great discourse and I appreciate your posting it. I've discovered when I am in a scary situation, I just skip all the negative stuff that can happen and imagine myself happy and satisfied with how my horse and I got through the situation. I imagine myself untacking and congratulating myself and petting my horse and praising it for how well we handled the problem. It doesn't always turn out that way, but I find myself doing that whether we get through it successfully or not.

I've also discovered that I've started doing that in a bad family situation or driving in dangerous or tiring conditions or being really cold or really hot or really thirsty or tired. I imagine that I have gotten through it and am warm and safe, or cool and refreshed. This too will pass.
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Wow! I love that you guys! I tend towards trying to shut down my negative imagination. I have a tendency to think through a negative situation to the part where we die. I have been working on myself to not think of the worst, but in doing that I have tried to simply change my thought pattern. Don’t think about it. In that concept I think it is still just under my consciousness, and making me anxious.

So, I will try instead to imagine the positive outcome to a negative situation. I think this is why my social anxiety is so dramatic. I imagine in every situation that the human I am relating to is thinking the worst. I imagine I accidentally insulted them, or that they simply don’t like me. I imagine them judging every move I make, tearing it apart. Lol. Then I analyze everything I have done or said. I wish I could simply force myself to think positively about interactions, because I do think that is the solution over “don’t think about it.”
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This is a really great discourse and I appreciate your posting it. I've discovered when I am in a scary situation, I just skip all the negative stuff that can happen and imagine myself happy and satisfied with how my horse and I got through the situation. I imagine myself untacking and congratulating myself and petting my horse and praising it for how well we handled the problem. It doesn't always turn out that way, but I find myself doing that whether we get through it successfully or not.

I've also discovered that I've started doing that in a bad family situation or driving in dangerous or tiring conditions or being really cold or really hot or really thirsty or tired. I imagine that I have gotten through it and am warm and safe, or cool and refreshed. This too will pass.
That is great!!

@Knave, I inherited from my dad this tendency to find something lovable or positive about almost every person I am around. It means that even if I think someone may be judging me or thinking poorly about me, I have to put a good spin on it. Because there are things I like about them! And somehow my mom's side of being self-deprecating (as my sister as told me, there is even a major store in Sweden called the Humble company) works into it. Why wouldn't they think I'm awkward or say the wrong things or act dumb...I certainly can! This is hard to describe, but then I feel comfortable, because if someone doesn't like me for how I am, they're probably right, I am quite flawed.

Anyway, this is how I ended up getting over the social anxiety I had when I was young. I realized it was about getting people to like me, but I began to think that if they didn't like me, there were probably good reasons for it in their mind, but all I really had to do was like them. And I do, despite myself. And what is strange, is that people can start out reserved and they perhaps don't like my style of human. But it's kind of like a dog, if they like you, it's hard not to like them. So even the people who don't like me, I'll tell other people right in front of them an anecdote of something I thought they did well, or that I admire. Honestly, it's not being false. I truly will admire it. But then the person who didn't like me so well ends up liking me more, even a little, because they discover that I like them. It's hard to explain, I'm strange. But I also don't need people to like me, and don't really care much if they do or not, so people notice that even if I like them, I also don't care if they like me or not. I can't help it, and it's free. LOL.

This also works with difficult people we have in the hospital. People will grumble and say they are mean or terrible. But they haven't noticed how the little grandpa looks like santa claus with his foggy glasses when he scrunches up his face, and I'll tell people something he yelled at me that was really funny, and then we all laugh and people want to go in and take care of him so they can hear something funny too.

Now in your case, I suspect if anyone doesn't like you, it's because you look so put together and like you'd be someone who thought they were above other people. Some people are so worried about being rejected that they put out pricklies right away, and I could see people having that reaction to you. Like, why would she like me, she's got it all going on and I don't. Then if you act reserved, it confirms it to them, that you feel above them. Just a guess.

Even though I can find a quality or two about most everyone to like, you have tons of great qualities, so I could never help liking you!
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I really love that, and I also appreciate your saying that about me too. The girls have a few friends who say I am intimidating or that they are scared of me, and I could see that my own nervousness makes me appear abrasive and judgmental myself.

I struggled pretty bad at the games this weekend. I should have opened your journal! It was bad enough I woke up throwing up in the motel. Ugh. I really dislike this about myself.

I do think I see reasons to like everyone. Maybe where I didn’t relate it correctly is accepting the idea on if they like me or not. I was just telling husband that at the motel. I’m great with strangers. I seem to make friends or be extremely social with people unknown to me.

I explained it to him after I talked with some guy who pointed out the coffee, where I met the nicest woman who was using quite a lot of creamer, like myself. Lol. She was super friendly, and I enjoyed her, and when her husband came down he was really cranky. He was almost rude to her and definitely wanted to be annoyed with me because she was talking to me and laughing. Did it bug me? Not in the least!

See, with him and his wife there is no reason to overthink. I liked her, she seemed to like me, and we had a fun moment. The husband was simply a jerk or having a bad day, but I can know it has nothing at all to do with me. I didn’t give him the reason to be mad.

I guess, along with trying to imagine positive outcomes, I need to be accepting of the idea that people may just dislike me. They also might have good reasons, and that’s okay too.
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People can find excuses to dislike others - not reasons, but excuses. There are just a lot of miserable people in this world who want to dislike others. Envy is often a source of resentment. If person A is more successful than person B - at ANYTHING - person B may resent them. And person A may not know, believe or care that they are more successful. I've had people dislike me for being white. Or being married to someone who is not white.

A cop giving a talk some years back told us about 1/3 of cops are jerks. "But I used to work construction, and about 1/3 of construction workers are jerks. I used to work as a cook, and about 1/3 of the workers were jerks." He gave a few more examples and finished, "I've concluded about 1/3 of PEOPLE are jerks, and you just have to deal with it."

Now there are some genuine reasons why people might dislike me. I have plenty of flaws. My wife isn't perfect and neither is anyone else I know. I've had lifelong friends who were imperfect 40 years ago and still are! One nice thing about being retired is I don't much care any more. If I'm actually doing something wrong, I'd like to know. I may or may not be able to do something about it but as I've told people before, "If I'm not cussing at you, I'm probably not trying to give offense!" There is nothing subtle about me.

But I kind of figure the reverse ought to be true too - I shouldn't take offense unless someone is actively trying to offend me. And even then, is it really worth it? I couldn't please everybody even if I wanted to. And I no longer want to. It isn't as if I ever succeeded anyways...
PS: I wonder if horses ever feel that way about people?
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I've been having weather woes...this month I've been doing all 12 hour shifts, and they haven't been lining up well with the weather. Looking ahead, today was a day I finally would have been able to ride, but unfortunately we are having snow.

Snow on the OR coast is something that happens maybe once per winter, and something we have to plan carefully around. Unlike many places that have snow regularly, we don't have systems in place to help. It wouldn't make sense to pay for snow or studded tires for a couple days per winter, and there aren't good systems to clear the roads. We also have high mountains and sharp curves that make slippery roads treacherous, even with only an inch or two.

DH and I went to the barn early, and even though the weather report was for snow after 3 pm, it was starting to snow at 1 pm. Nothing was sticking yet, so we quickly did the horse chores and made it back over the mountain that could have given us trouble. Whew. But it was disappointing that I couldn't risk taking the time for a ride. Now the snow is sticking, but it should clear away by tomorrow night, and by my next day off on Saturday there is sun and clear skies in the forecast. I'm hopeful that will be a good day to finally ride!

As we hurried through chores, we didn't turn the horses into a separate field. Hero was busy eating hay, but Aria was wishing we had time to give her attention and her little nose was bumping into me every time I turned around. So cute. It made me smile, remembering how terrified she had been of humans when I first met her a couple years ago.
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I'm glad we made it home and didn't have to face any ice on the roads. My cousin near Portland said he saw 50+ jack-knifed semi trucks on the freeway tonight coming home from work. Guess we might have some shipping delays. We don't have any good plans for this type of weather here, and yet people still have to work and such. I've been out there before when you couldn't go over 15 mph on the freeway without fishtailing.
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We are never very well prepared here in VA for snow either. Usually we get 2-3 storms a year, and they melt within a day or two. So we have no salt trucks or plows. People don't know how to drive in it. We're from Ohio originally so luckily we can make it around just fine. They usually brine the roads but I don't think it makes any difference at all. This year we haven't had any snow at all and it's been very weird.
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It’s snowing again. We had a big blizzard Tuesday and Wednesday. The girls and everyone on Facebook said it was really bad driving. The weekend before husband got lost trying to feed cows because nothing at all could be seen. It left these crazy drifts…

Anyways, as irritated as we all are feeling over more snow (which we do need, so it’s mixed emotions when you haven’t but seen the smallest patches of dirt all winter long), luckily everyone here is prepared for it. We have lost some babies in the ice and wind… so that has been sad.

I hate driving in bad conditions (we will be today too, as the girls head to state championships for basketball! A lot of my town will be following them.). I can’t imagine having to drive in that nonsense without experience though!
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Today I had some insight into what a lot of you go through in freezing temperatures. It was actually in the 40s today, and the snow has pretty much melted. But cleaning up manure, I came across some that was frozen to the still solid ground. It stymied me a little...it was very surprising that I couldn't get the poo up from where it had melded with the mud, and I ended up having to kick it loose with my boot. Anyone who deals with that has my sympathy!

Finally, the sun was shining and I could ride! It is a testament to Aria's temperament that I was fairly certain I could saddle her up and take her right out after a couple weeks off. She headed down the road without any hesitation.

I rode in a Ghost saddle, and was able to ground mount twice without any slipping. I was trying a different saddle pad, just a regular Weatherbeeta dressage pad with a thinline half pad over it. It still needs a little tweaking though, because going down a very steep hill I think it slid forward a little, since after the ride there were some ruffled hairs.

Aria is very good already at spooking in place. It took Amore at least several years to tone down her responses to being startled to that level, even part of the time. She didn't want to cross the one lane concrete bridge, so I got off and led her. There were two big herons kind of lurking on either side, so it was rather intimidating. On the way back over I rode her across, and she did a spook in place but didn't leap off the side into the water or anything, which is what Amore probably might have done.
There was a beaver family lolloping through the field next to the road, but Aria saw them and didn't react. They slide into the water without making a sound, unlike the ducks which did spook us because they always create a big commotion.

There is a small gravel road I often ride down that ends at some barns and a horse setup. Mikey's rider knows everyone, and she said it was fine for us to go there, even though it is technically private. Today for the first time there were people down there; a man on a quad, and a woman standing holding a horse, talking to him. I wasn't sure what they would think, but I rode all the way down and said hello.

They were very friendly, and when Aria did the biggest spook of the ride that ended up with us facing the opposite direction, the woman said it was because there were kids in the bushes up on the hill making noise, and they both said I was handling my horse well. It's always nice when people are positive instead of critical when they see your horse have an issue. The man offered to wait to start up his quad until I was already back down the driveway, which was great since it was barely wider than the quad + a pony, so I wasn't sure what would happen if he tried to pass us.

We trotted quite a bit going away from the barn, and Aria wanted to trot heading back. I let her a little, but her idea was to increase the speed of the trot every couple of strides, until she was about to canter, so I kept checking her back to a slow trot.

I'm not sure if any of you have an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other, giving you advice when you ride but I do. My mind tells me it would be fun to just go faster, and I can ride well enough, so why not just let the pony take off? But my responsible side tries to reason with me about how important it is to build Aria up slowly, and give her confidence rather than teaching her it is fine to race home - possibly reinforcing that it might be scary out in the world. I worked on getting her to respond to very small cues to gather herself and stay calm, just a quick reminder with one rein or the other that we weren't going to speed off, and she softened and slowed every time.

My friends up north want to meet up for a ride as soon as the weather gets nicer, even drive 3 hours down. That should be a good time to teach Aria some nuances of cantering and galloping with other horses.
I still have no idea how to get both a pony and scenery in one photo.


The patch of white concrete up ahead is the scary bridge with no railings.
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I would probably lead the horse over that bridge every time, lol. I'm probably more afraid of riding over bridges than most horses! I'm a terrible trail rider 😂
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It snowed again today, so the barn was a quick trip between the snow melting and possibly turning back into ice when the temperature dropped tonight.

I'm not very imaginative when it comes to horse treats. Mostly I've given carrots, apples and whatever bag I grab of commercial treats at the feed store. Someone on the forum mentioned their horses like pears, so I bought a couple to see if the horses liked them.

Abbey also got some green beans, which always makes the store cashiers question. "Three green beans!?" But then when I say they are for my hamster, they really crack up.

Aria took half a sniff before she decided to launch into the pear. Hero also had a fast whiff before his jaws opened wide and he tried to inhale the entire pear. They were a big hit. Hero was even extra friendly afterward to see if we had any more pears.

I was remembering when I first met Aria, putting carrots into her mouth and having her drop them back out because she didn't trust they were food. She is very trusting nowadays that anything I put in front of her mouth will be delicious.

Today when I was untangling some knots from her mane, Aria rested her nose between my arm and chest and lightly nuzzled me.

I threw hay into Aria's side of the shelter first, and Hero barged in there to start into the hay. He never did figure out this meant Aria was over on his side, eating the much bigger pile of hay.
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I love the image of the 3 green beans!
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I used to call Halla "Pigpen," but Hero is also very talented at body painting.
I said ponies are easier to clean off because they're smaller, but in this case it's mostly about being cleaner! The other side looks the same.


Aria had a serious episode of choke tonight.

After chores, I gave her a few hay pellets in a bucket while I was saddling her and putting boots on.
After the saddle was on, I saw her do the flehmen with her lips, and she started acting uncomfortable. Since I've seen horses choke before, I realized what was happening. It seemed like it might help to walk her around a little, so I began walking her and after a few steps she coughed up a bunch of green slime. She was still uncomfortable though, so I walked her for a few minutes, and I could hear gurgling in her stomach now and then. She would put her head down and strain a little, but she didn't cough much. A couple times she whinnied at Hero, and I thought that might help move the blockage, but it didn't.

When I went past one shelter, the horse owner was inside feeding her horses. She works for a small animal vet, and has horse experience. I had her look at Aria, and asked if she thought Banamine would work even if I only had oral Banamine. She said it might help and certainly couldn't hurt.

When I got Aria back near her field, I gave her Banamine and also tried syringing a little water down her mouth in case it helped soften the pellet mass. She coughed up more slime but seemed to still be obstructed. I unsaddled her and took her boots off, and the other horse owner stopped by to check on us. It seemed time to figure out how to get Aria to a vet, since the obstruction wasn't moving.

The horse owner said she actually had the tubing and pump they use for tubing horses. She had been planning to use it for sheath cleaning on her geldings. I decided it was worth a try to see if I could pass it down Aria's nose to clear the obstruction in the esophagus. I have put hundreds of nasogastric tubes down humans, and I knew with horses at least there is only one pathway. (Edit: I was wrong about this, I was thinking about the mouth. You can end up in the lung with horses, going down the nose. So this was riskier than I realized. Fortunately, I never got it even halfway down her nose.)

After adding a little lube, I attempted to put the tube down Aria's nose. Let me tell you, we don't pay vets enough! I've seen vets tube horses without sedation, but in those cases apparently the horses felt a lot worse. Aria came up with some strong coughs after I had the tube in her nose a couple times. I gave it one more try, temporarily got partway down the nose, and in Aria's struggle to get away, she whacked me extremely hard with her head, right above my left eye. Had a little double vision for a moment, but didn't pass out. It gave me a beautiful black eye. Aria coughed very hard several times.

The fire rescue neighbor lady had stopped to see what we were doing on her way down the road, and she had first aid so brought me an ice pack from her truck. I realized it was going to take a vet and sedation to tube Aria and started thinking about how to arrange that. That was when we noticed the last bout of coughing had seemed to send the obstruction down into the stomach. Aria was standing there looking fine, and a moment later put her head down and started eating grass. I said if all it took was a black eye to help my horse, it was worth it.

After staying at the barn for a while, watching Aria eating normally with no coughing, I decided she was going to be OK. The barn owner is going to let me know if she hears any coughing in the morning or sees her looking sick or off her feed. I don't think she was obstructed long enough to get pneumonia, since she wasn't eating and mostly had her head down.

This was definitely my fault for feeding dried pellets. For some reason I thought since she is pretty young, it wasn't likely she'd choke, but she is missing a molar so doesn't have the full chewing surface most horses have. I knew the barn owner wets the pellets in the morning, but that's because I feed a powdered amino acid. She told me tonight that she watches a vet show with Dr. Pol all the time and they've shown episodes where horses are tubed for choke, and she is a bit paranoid about pellets. So she's always made my pellets into a mash verging on soup, which is probably why Aria hasn't had serious choke.

Hopefully the crisis was averted, and Aria will be fine.
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Just FYI, this is not how my horse reacted to the tube! But I've seen horses behave like this, so it was why I thought perhaps it could be done.
FYI, humans hit sometimes too, but I've never had a black eye before putting in an NG tube.
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What a scary night! I’m glad Aria ended up ok and hope your eye doesn’t ache too bad. I’ve had a few black eyes over the years and they are no fun.
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My three ate dry pellets for years without issues. Trooper seems to have throat issues now. He can get them down but it seems they irritate his throat, so we soak his. I've noticed that Bandit has dense pee when it is cold out and concluded he doesn't like to drink cold water - so we soak his pellets now but he'll go back to dry when it warms up. Cowboy still eats them dry. He's about as low maintenance as a horse can possibly be.

We had 5 inches of snow last night so a weird February for this part of the country. Yesterday was 60 degrees but 30 mph winds. Supposed to be in the 70s Saturday. Rare for us to get weekly snows, and the "snow one day, warm one day, warm but very windy day, snow again, oops it is 70 degrees today" pattern is hard on all of us.

FWIW, we've been praising Bandit for his extensive "tattoos" lately. Not permanent, happily, and he seems to cover his entire body deliberately. The other two stay 90% clean.
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Wow! What a rough day. I would expect a lot of problems getting a tube down, but I’m glad it worked, even if not the way it was intended. I’m sorry about your eye though! I bet you have a killer headache.

If I didn’t have a lot of self control, I’d give you a black eye for putting one in my nose too. I have a really bad gag reflex and a weird protectiveness over my sinuses… lol
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have a really bad gag reflex and a weird protectiveness over my sinuses… lol
@Knave, I have a TERRIBLE gag reflex. I don't think anyone particularly likes going to the dentist, but the gagging problems make it really awful for me given the frequency of doing xrays these days. For awhile, I went to a fairly "old school" (read: a little shabby and not so technologically adept ;) ) dentist office, and the hygienist there had learned a trick that if you put a lot of salt on someone's tongue while adding in the "bite wings" they use for xrays, it suppresses the gag reflex. I have absolutely zero medical evidence that this could or does work, and maybe it was the power of suggestion as a placebo effect, but when she did this to me I never gagged through my xrays with her. I ended up switching dentists because my insurance changed, and the first time I had to get xrays with them I explained how hard it was for me and hpw my old hygienist used that trick with me successfully. The new hygienist rolled her eyes and scoffed that she had never heard of such a dumb thing and would not be doing that. And what do you know, I gagged all the way through the xrays. She also refused to use the child sized bite wings, which had also helped me at the other office.

I'm generally one to be on the side of following the latest medical protocol, but this was a case where it really irritated me that someone wouldn't listen to a suggestion for something a bit out of the box that had been successful for me in the past.

/end rant 🦷
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People like that are the ones I really really dislike @egrogan!
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