I agree with something being wrong with the horse, it was very odd the way he looked to be falling asleep then suddenly went down.The bolding is mine.
My question on the original thread for this was: It looked to me like the horse was going to sleep/ deprived of oxygen, was the horse doped? Heart problems? So the 'rushing' 'lurching' the horse was kicked forward and hauled back. To me the girls bad temper, while disgraceful, is the secondary issue. That horse did not stumble in the ordinary way, it went down.
Blaming the trainer is utterly ridiculous and getting way too PC. Nobody has total control of another person EVER, including your own kids, let alone a student who is not even under your direct supervision during a lesson but out on her own in the show ring. How can the girls spat of bad temper be the trainers fault. Lets keep some perspective. I don't understand why people want to give their freedom away, control by this person or that authority.
I think there was something wrong with the horse. If the owner/ rider was unaware of a problem, she thought the horse was misbehaving. One usually feels obliged to finish an event so one continues if there appears to be nothing wrong, we don't automatically assume something dreadful is going on, so a vet check probably would not cross the girls mind at that point. Possibly if a steward had seen, they may have questioned it, but again, they are not expecting that sort of trouble either. And the episode of bad temper rather distracted from what was going on with the horse.
So we harp on about this incident, setting it as an example of what is unacceptable, but the reality is that every day all over the world this sort of behaviour goes on, and you want witch-hunt one girl for it? Ideal, obviously not but there are horses that have to do daily work with not enough feed, bad if any hoof care, obscene bits that are badly used. . . so, perspective. 'Punishment' does not have to be hung, drawn and quartered. A steward saying to a person, "thats not acceptable, if it happens again you are finished for the day" is perfectly ok.
The word 'abuse' is bandied around willy nilly these days and is rather losing its impact. How about we keep it for what it really means. I was on jury service a few years ago for an 'abuse' case. It was a waste of taxpayer money. Two neighbours who had been lovers and partners in a small business that folded, squabbling over an issue and one touches the other, who files for 'abuse'. THAT makes me sick.
I would like to think the incident with the girl we have been speaking of was a one-off incident. Chances are it happens at home sometimes. So if the FEI spoke to the girl I like to think they have recommended something constructive. We will never know, and nor should we. Here is a shocking thought to some of you younger people - everything is NOT our business, just because we have social media. And just because it is not 'announced' doesn't mean it didn't happen (I am talking about consequences here)
I have not read the fact sheet. I just can't handle that right now.
Trainer's are responsible for the methods they teach their students, but obviously not responsible for the student's tantrums. The girl either taught herself that technique, was taught the technique by another mentor, OR it was a one-off incident. No way of knowing without observing more footage of the girl on this horse or working with her on a face-to-face basis. If the trainer taught her to use such a method, then yes the blame is also on the trainer.
I'm assuming the rest of your post was not directed at me, as I am in complete agreement with it. I said myself 'witch-hunting' this girl is ridiculous, as well as saying that she deserved to be hurt or banned from showing. A disqualification certainly would not have been over the top. I don't classify this as outright abuse either-bad horsemanship, yes.
I agree with your last paragraph as well. I don't even have FB, HF is the closest thing I have to social media.
The fact sheet is stomach-turning... :sad: