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Need some advise on how to get a Colt used to taking worm meds--tube
I have tried taking a syringe w. Molasses, but I can't get him to lick it or anything, and he still fights me when I try to hold onto his head by the halter. I fdon't really want to use the kind that you add to feed every day.
Any suggestins would be appreciated.:)
 

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I worm my horses every 8 weeks.

Instead of fighting with them, I dissolve the paste wormer in water and pour it over their feed.

I haven't yet had a horse refuse to eat it. Of course, I have only geldings and they live to eat! :wink:
 

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I have yet to meet a horse that voluntarily will suffer an overgrown syringe being stuffed into its mouth in order to inject a highy unpleasant gunge into the back of its mouth.
I give my girl some chopped apple up front - then I insert the syringe - then I give her some more chopped apple.
Then she can have a small bowl of feed which contains a good percentage of
speedi beet.
She still doesn't forgive me, but we have got to the stage after 2 years where she will let me do it.
 

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I practice with an empty syringe and a pocketful of treats ahead of time, simple approach and retreat exercise. I put the syringe as close to the horse's mouth as he's willing to let me, and I hold it there until he's relaxed and not caring, and then take it away and praise. When I get it into his mouth, I give a treat and take the syringe away and praise. Usually the worst I have to deal with on D-Day is 1 or 2 approaches and retreats when they smell the medication. I always treat after I deworm to "make peace." If they're really a lot more fussy during the actual deworming I'll practice with a syringe loaded with applesauce. I also try to find the active ingredient that I need at the time in an apple flavored version. My guys seem to handle that better; I get fewer sour looks afterward. :wink:

I have really small hands, and it's hard for me to hold the tube and get the plunger down with one hand, so it's important to me to be able to take my time and not have to fight the horse to do any oral medication. My vet appreciates it, too. :lol:
 

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If all else fails, mix it with a cup or so of apple sauce. I had an old gelding that wouldn't eat it mixed with his mash. Would either eat all around it, or not touch it at all. The vet gave me the ok for the applesauce, so the next time I had to worm him, I just got a disposable bowl and mixed it. He licked the bowl clean! Absolutely NO waste.
 

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First way is every one giving their horses worms?? It is not wormer it is Dewormer.

Also just deworming a horse b/c is wrong. It leads to resistance to the Dewormer. Ky is starting to have a big problem with this. I have NEVER dewormed my horses on an 8 week schedule. Also the timing you deworm your horse is also important. Testing is the best way to go although not all types of worms can be seen when testing so some just have to be done and hope for the best.

As to how to give Dewormer. There are several ways to do it. I have one old mare who will not let you touch her mouth no matter what. I simply put the dewormer on her feed and cover it. She eats it right up with no problem. With Dewormers on the market today horses seem to like the tast so it is not hart to get them to eat it like that.
 

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I agree with Nrhareiner, I only worm my horse every six months and always mix up the type of wormer. I don't know if you all have particularly virulent types of worms where you are but here they are not a big deal and certainly do not need treating every eight weeks!

It must be the way you are approaching with a syringe it sounds like you need to get better with it. I have not ever had a horse that I couldn't treat with a syringe. The trick is to make it seamless. Change nothing about the way you approach your horse, walk up to it as you normally would, as you catch the horse by the halter in the normal way, slide the syringe that is being held in the other hand up to the corner of the horses mouth, the horse doesn't even have to see it. Slide the tip of the syringe into the very corner and insert as much as you can until the horse opens it mouth then slide in deep and squeeze. Whip that syringe out of the horses mouth and then carry on as if nothing has happened. All of this takes about 10 secs.

Maybe because I don't think worming a horse is a big deal my horses never treat as such either. Also I have worked on farms for years and have drenched god knows how many head of stock. Now, drenching a half feral bull calf is a drenching drama! A horse, not so much.

I think how you approach your horse makes all the difference. I haven't even taught a horse to drench as such. Nothing beyond halter training and handling the mouth in the normal course of bridle training and general desensitizing, I have always just jammed it in their gob and expected them to take their meds like a good horse - and they always do.
 

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I agree with Nrhareiner, I only worm my horse every six months and always mix up the type of wormer. I don't know if you all have particularly virulent types of worms where you are but here they are not a big deal and certainly do not need treating every eight weeks!

It must be the way you are approaching with a syringe it sounds like you need to get better with it. I have not ever had a horse that I couldn't treat with a syringe. The trick is to make it seamless. Change nothing about the way you approach your horse, walk up to it as you normally would, as you catch the horse by the halter in the normal way, slide the syringe that is being held in the other hand up to the corner of the horses mouth, the horse doesn't even have to see it. Slide the tip of the syringe into the very corner and insert as much as you can until the horse opens it mouth then slide in deep and squeeze. Whip that syringe out of the horses mouth and then carry on as if nothing has happened. All of this takes about 10 secs.

Maybe because I don't think worming a horse is a big deal my horses never treat as such either. Also I have worked on farms for years and have drenched god knows how many head of stock. Now, drenching a half feral bull calf is a drenching drama! A horse, not so much.

I think how you approach your horse makes all the difference. I haven't even taught a horse to drench as such. Nothing beyond halter training and handling the mouth in the normal course of bridle training and general desensitizing, I have always just jammed it in their gob and expected them to take their meds like a good horse - and they always do.
:lol: I started doing it this way with my young horses and I've never had a problem DE-worming ;-)
Vida on the other hand can not be fooled. I use an EZ-Wormer bit on her. Its cheaper and easier on me to just stick the bit in her mouth with the DE-wormer already in it.
I also have a fecal count done on one of them before I dose. You only need to do one horse in a herd. Worms are a community thing so if one has them they all will.
 

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I also have a fecal count done on one of them before I dose. You only need to do one horse in a herd. Worms are a community thing so if one has them they all will.
You know this is what I had always thought also. However after going to a seminar last week that a local equine vet put on and I asked about that as I have several and usually will only check one then worm accordingly. She said that what they are finding is that SOME horses are worm bags. Her words not mine. She said that some horses with in the herd will need to be dewormed and others will not and you should only Deworm the horses that need it not all.
 

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I just shove the syringe thing into the side of my horses mouth and inject it as fast as possible and then pull it out. It seems to work for me and I had a horse that would rear up when I tried to worm him, but it worked.
 

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One person I know said when we where talking about this last week. She knows someone who using a nylon stocking and wraps it around the horses musle and then sticks the dewormer in the mouth behind the stocking. The horse has its mind on the stocking which is not hurting him but keeping his mind busie and they can not open their mouth to spit it out. That is always my biggest problem is I put the de wormer meds as far back as I can get it yet they always seem to be able to spit part of it out.
 

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Is that a normal worming syringe? Far out, it's tiny! Our worm pastes come in syringes three times that size! What size dose does that administer? What I mean is what size horse is it for? Our tubes of dewormer are designed to administer the right amount of paste according to the weight of your horse. A full tube does a horse weighing 650kg, my horse is fairly close to this in weight so I give her a whole tube.

That is kind of how I do it but not really. I get hold of the halter underneath as if I'm going to lead the horse, my other hand has the syringe ready to insert and shoot. Rather than using my finger to get the mouth open I use the syringe itself so as soon as the horse opens its mouth (in surprise!) I squeeze and it is all over before the horse has a chance to even think about whats happened. I said in my earlier post that it takes about 10 secs, that was a lie, it is much quicker than that! The other thing is I never worm a horse that is tied up, once the paste has been administered I like my horse to be free to react anyway it likes, usually it is head high in the air, maybe a couple of steps backwards while working the mouth. I just do not want the administering of a syringe to be associated with restraint in anyway, this is just personal preference.
 

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I agree with kiwigirl. Make as little fuss about it as possible. I don't give treats after, because I've had a goopy glob of deworming paste and treat come back out at me. My husband's horse is a butthead. He uses the molasses trick on him. I can usually have both my horses done by the time he has the end of his syringe in the molasses.
 

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I've always done the "pretend like everything is totally normal" approach with deworming and my horses always have done very well. Rarely, some will get spit back out, but not often. My Paint gelding is kind of funny, because after I deworm him, it's like he's not on speaking terms with me. He get a sour expression and walks away and has nothing to do with me for a while. My other two act like nothing happened and go about looking for treats. :lol:

I used the same approach with shots when I used to give them to my horses myself. Never a problem or more than a little flinch. I think the way you act and your attitude makes ALL the difference in the world. Because at a place I used to board, they would sort of gang up on the horses to give them their shots, and the horses would get scared and freak out. Almost like too many handlers spoils the broth, so to speak. I would just give my guys their shots and they never new it was coming or acted like I hurt them. Maybe they felt a *****, but they never took it personal or freaked out. If you go about it like it's a big deal, then the horse will wonder what's going on and get worried. Just make it a part of their normal handling or grooming session. That's what I do anyway.

I have had trouble with using one hand on the dewormer tube because my hands are small also. Some brands are worse than others. It's really hard to use two hands on the dewromer when your other hand is holding the horse and they start chomping their jaws. Luckily most dewormers I can use one handed, but there have been some, generic Ivermectin I believe, that I couldn't hardly hold and administer with one hand because the plunger sticks out farther than my thumb can reach!
 

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First way is every one giving their horses worms?? It is not wormer it is Dewormer.
Thank you!!!!!!


I also have a fecal count done on one of them before I dose. You only need to do one horse in a herd. Worms are a community thing so if one has them they all will.


Not true!
A whole herd of horses can have horses with totally different worm loads. Like everything else in life, some deal with a worm load differently than others. Their own bodies can sometimes fend off a worm load, other horses just grow a good colony. All horses in the heard need to have a fecal done.


Both my horses are easy to deworm using typical paste dewormer. But it is just too much of a pain for me, so I have always done it as described early. I stir it into their grain. On a more fussy horse I add a little molasses to hide it.


I taught my filly by doing the tube filled with a mix of applesauce and molasses every day for a week or so. Now I know that I can give oral medications that way if I need to.
 

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I have 7 horses. With every one of them, I can walk up to them in the pasture without a halter and deworm them. I work on deworming about as often as I work on trailer loading (which is never), yet even horses that I've raised from babies or horses I've gotten as behavioral problems walk right on trailers and willingly keep their heads down for deworming, even if they didn't when they first came in.

Its not about tricking them or rewards for forgiveness, its about expectations. If the horse isn't secure in the task, then they seek the security from the person performing the task. If the person isn't completely secure, the horse will know it. Until the skill is completely owned, it is easily undone. The person has to own that skill as well as the horse. Its not about methods or tricking them into doing something, its about living with the horse instead of around it. Its understanding their unease but helping them gain confidence through it rather than back off.

Oh, BG, there is a pony at a rescue barn that I manage that LOVES dewormer. You have to make sure to pull it out quickly or she will start eating the tube and search you for more.
 
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