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I have my 5yr old mare. Green broke. Great horse perfect on the ground. I am a very over protective owner and only let certian people handle her. And now i have decided to lease her. As i cant ride and she is just a pasture pet and i cant go out everyday to give her any attention. And i would like her to go further in areas but dont want to get rid of her.

So i thought leasing would be a good way to keep her but she get sorta like free training.

But now i am nervous i just put her ad up on craigslist and what i wanted and what she is like. My biggest thing is someone that will stick with how she is already trained and handled and the fact i get to see her when i want to. And can correct behaviors.

So how do i know i am doing the right thing? This is my baby. How do i know they are right? Red flags? What to look for in a person? What kind of contract should i have wrote up?

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!

This is my baby my own little child and i am just turning her over to some stranger to train and use her. I feel like i am loaning a car and like i just dont care anymore. But this is my only option to not sell her but not pay all the extra costs and boarding right now.

So any advice and all advice please.

I know to go look at the place and to make sure there is some kind of contract and to contact the owner of the place or manager and let them know who i am and whats going on.
 

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I leased out my first quarter horse after years of "fixing" her (she was a track quarter). It actually wasn't THAT bad. It's really hard however to dictate how a horse is ridden as in how it's already trained unless you plan on spending hours training the person how to ride her, and then you still can't control how they ride.

I think maybe the biggest thing is to decide what you will allow and what you won't and maybe write out a list for the person so that there is no confusion. Also...if there are things that you completely do not want, maybe make it in the term that it would be grounds for immediate termination of the lease. I was leasing to a 10 year old so I had to make sure all of the stable rules for her age were followed as a major rule.

Some things to think about..
Is the lessee to use their own tack or yours? Are they only to use a certain bit/type of bit/hackamore? Will this person be showing the horse? Is jumping allowed? Do you want them to only ride western? English? Dressage? Are they going to be allowed to trim/clip the horse? (I actually had to specify that the mane, forelock, and tail were NOT to be cut, and yet my horse still ended up with "bangs" chopped much to my dismay). How do you feel about trail rides?

I'm sure you will think of plenty more. Depending on who you are leasing to you may need less or more rules than I had. Also think about what things the lessee are responsible for. I was still responsible for vet and farrier however I also still saw/rode my horse once a week or so. You said you still want use of your horse...so maybe make out what day is your day, etc because it really sucks to feel like going for a nice ride or giving the horse a bath only to find it already occupied. It's not like you can tell the person to get off the horse...because they have paid for that privilege.
 

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I actually leased a horse from a friend for a year before I bought one of my own. I was beginner rider & the horse I leased (an older gelding) actually taught me how to ride. I would screen the people interested in leasing her very carefully.
 

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I actually leased a horse from a friend for a year before I bought one of my own. I was beginner rider & the horse I leased (an older gelding) actually taught me how to ride. I would screen the people interested in leasing her very carefully.
Sorry stupid computer crashed & I didn't get to finish my thought.
Any way my friend watched me ride in the arena on the horse, rode out with me a few times, and watched me groom him & eveything. I used her tack, kept it on her property, I was only allowed to ride out in certain areas or in the arena. I couldn't trailer out anywhere. I consulted with her on feed, medical (he got an abcess), used her farrier & vet, all of that.
I also had to sign a waiver in case I got hurt.
 

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I leased out my first quarter horse after years of "fixing" her (she was a track quarter). It actually wasn't THAT bad. It's really hard however to dictate how a horse is ridden as in how it's already trained unless you plan on spending hours training the person how to ride her, and then you still can't control how they ride.

I think maybe the biggest thing is to decide what you will allow and what you won't and maybe write out a list for the person so that there is no confusion. Also...if there are things that you completely do not want, maybe make it in the term that it would be grounds for immediate termination of the lease. I was leasing to a 10 year old so I had to make sure all of the stable rules for her age were followed as a major rule.

Some things to think about..
Is the lessee to use their own tack or yours? Are they only to use a certain bit/type of bit/hackamore? Will this person be showing the horse? Is jumping allowed? Do you want them to only ride western? English? Dressage? Are they going to be allowed to trim/clip the horse? (I actually had to specify that the mane, forelock, and tail were NOT to be cut, and yet my horse still ended up with "bangs" chopped much to my dismay). How do you feel about trail rides?

I'm sure you will think of plenty more. Depending on who you are leasing to you may need less or more rules than I had. Also think about what things the lessee are responsible for. I was still responsible for vet and farrier however I also still saw/rode my horse once a week or so. You said you still want use of your horse...so maybe make out what day is your day, etc because it really sucks to feel like going for a nice ride or giving the horse a bath only to find it already occupied. It's not like you can tell the person to get off the horse...because they have paid for that privilege.
Actually i have only rode her a handfull of times and cant ride now. So how she is rode as long as they are not yanking on her head or kicking the hell out of her its what ever except no cantering or jumping for another year. i just dont want the ground training to change. And i just want to see her when i can.

Did you use a contract and how did you write it up? And thank you for the ideas i never thought about the mane and tail getting cut. And i dont even have tack anymore but i didnt even think about saying they needed her bridle and thier tack.
 

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Just make sure you see the barn you are sending her to, find out all about the person, what their level of riding is, how often the horse would be ridden and groomed, etc.
 

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I just sort of wrote up my own contract and had her and her parent sign it. I wanted to make sure they BOTH understood and agreed to the rules. Her mom was really great in enforcing the rules. As said before, I would watch the person ride her and talk with them to make sure they are a good "fit." Being that your horse is pretty green I would probably limit the person leasing to adults. I know there are some really GREAT horse kids out there, but it can be more of a liability if they get hurt. I don't know what area you are living in so there may be some things you need to do legally. Maybe after you get advice here, maybe you should post in the legal section and see what you can and can not do in the contract for your area.
 

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Yeah i was thinking no one younger than 15 but i know a girl that was 13 and used to ride for me when i had other horses and she was great and you wouldnt know she was so young. So i am open to anyone except 10 and they have to show me that they can handle her. She does test her handler and they have to know how to handle horses as beginners are to much of a liability.

Thank you i am not as nervous anymore. I have till the 10th of may before i have to move her.

I do plan on making them sign a liability waiver as the last trainer i had on her was a male and she pitched him alot. I can ride her just fine when i could ride. She was great for me but then again i have had her for over 4 years.
 

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IF in your gut you don't think they're a good match then don't do it. If she seems happy and the rider handles her well then go for it. You can always put a clause in there that you can terminate the contract at any time for any reason if you feel it is no longer in the best interest of the horse. I have that in all my lease agreements and I have used it a few times if I didn't like the way things were panning out or if for some reason the fit wasn't as good as it was previously. Sometimes horses mature and their wants and needs in a rider change or the person starts to get sloppy in their riding and/or tries to do more than they should, etc. Although these things happening are very rare and most leasers are VERY conscientious and solicitous of the owners and their wishes. Good luck and keep us posted if you find a leaser for her!
 

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Nittany i like that thank you i didnt think of that.

This is her ad should i tweak it? I have had several people ask me if they could put young children on her that dont know how to ride. So i fear my ad is misleading and who would want to put a child on a green broke horse? Are people just idiots?


White paint 5yr old mare she is actually a faded grey medicine hat framed overo but very faded. Standing at 15.1 possibly taller have not measured in 6 months. I am offering a free lease only. She is green broke to ride but hasnt been rode over the winter. Leads, ties, stands, trims, loads, bathes, lunges free and on line. Jumps free and on line(never jumped undersaddle). Point her at it she will do it. Was beat by a man or men when she was a weanling so doesnt take to aggressive men. Can pick up all four feet and clean and stretch her legs. Easy to catch.

She would make a great halter horse or trail horse or pretty much anything but no cantering for another year and then no jumping with rider for another year. She is my baby and is my little pet but due to my own illness i can not take her any further than just a pet. She needs someone to help take her further. Must be within 30 miles of wooster/lakeville area and someone that uses natural horsemanship and who is not going to change how she is already trained but add to it. She is a free lease if leasee provides, trims, care, food, and vet. She has recent coggins, recent trim and shots due next month.

Please email if you would like to come and meet her or we can work something out. Would like her to do local shows my plans were to always do western pleasure and halter.

Do request that if you are not fairly local and/or i can not freely see her then please do not contact me. Must be 24/7 visitation and/or behavior corrections.
 

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Why exactly is there no cantering for another year? And then no jumping for another year after that?


Your best bet might be to find a trainer or a barn owner you trust and see if they know anyone looking to lease. Since you have so many restrictions (no cantering is a pretty big restriction) it will be hard to find a good leaser. If you did it thru a barn owner or trainer you know and trust you will at least know they will be looking out for her best interest when you are not there.
 

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Why exactly is there no cantering for another year? And then no jumping for another year after that?


Your best bet might be to find a trainer or a barn owner you trust and see if they know anyone looking to lease. Since you have so many restrictions (no cantering is a pretty big restriction) it will be hard to find a good leaser. If you did it thru a barn owner or trainer you know and trust you will at least know they will be looking out for her best interest when you are not there.

She turns 6 in next year and that is when she is allowed to be cantered and jumped. I want no jumping period until then and light cantering once a week i will allow if i have to. Its safer for them i dont want a horse at 20 to be swayed and broken down. I am doing it in her best interest. And as for stables or trainers i know and trust thats hard as i just moved to the state. I do plan and forever will keep her until she is old and ready to go over the rainbow.
 

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So you are restricting her cantering because of her age? :shock: Can you tell me why? Jumping I can see to a certain degree but I can not see how cantering a 5yo would be something to cause long term issues.
 

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Because thier backs dont completely close till 6-7 yrs old. Her knees i am not even sure if they are closed but they should be with her being 5. You actually shouldnt back a horse until they are 5-6. Its like strapping a 4yr old child down with alot of weight and expecting it not to cause problems.
 

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Then why is it OK for a rider to trot on him? I miss why you see a difference between a horse carrying a rider at a walk and trot to a horse carrying a rider at the canter when it comes to their joints being closed.

Sorry, I really am trying to understand.
 

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Because thier backs dont completely close till 6-7 yrs old. Her knees i am not even sure if they are closed but they should be with her being 5. You actually shouldnt back a horse until they are 5-6. Its like strapping a 4yr old child down with alot of weight and expecting it not to cause problems.
With the severe restrictions and your unrealistic mindset - I would not bother trying to lease her. You will never find anyone to fit into your mold.
 

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She turns 6 in next year and that is when she is allowed to be cantered and jumped. I want no jumping period until then and light cantering once a week i will allow if i have to. Its safer for them i dont want a horse at 20 to be swayed and broken down.
I was trotting and cantering my 4 y/o (he never did jump), and at 20 y/o he didn't have a smidge of a swayed back.

Many people hold off on breaking a horse to saddle until they're 4 y/o, but I've never heard of not letting one canter or jump until they're 6.

At 5 y/o I can see restricting her jumping to the lower levels, but there's no such thing as their backs 'closing'. Their knees do, but their backs are one long line of veterbrae; they're not going to compress.

So let's see, you don't want anyone jumping or cantering her, she's only green broke so you expect someone to put their time, effort and money into getting her broke properly, you want 24/7 visitation rights, and you only want her trained by NH methods.

Good luck finding anyone willing to put up with those ridiculous 'conditions'.

There are plenty of already well trained animals out there for lease with none of those restrictions.
 

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Well ya never know....there are plenty of suckers out there.

There's a lady near me who "leases" out her horses. For a quite pricey fee, you get the privilege of grooming, hand-walking and TALKING to her horses. Absolutely no riding is allowed. And idiots actually take her up on this!
 

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Well ya never know....there are plenty of suckers out there.

There's a lady near me who "leases" out her horses. For a quite pricey fee, you get the privilege of grooming, hand-walking and TALKING to her horses. Absolutely no riding is allowed. And idiots actually take her up on this!
That is a perfect example of "there is a sucker born every minute". Sigh!
 

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I dont expect her back to close i said nothing of that. But simply her maturing more. Carrying a rider does not bother me as she handles that fine but she also had hip problems in the past when i had a trainer putting time on her for me. And i dont think she is ready for cantering as she gets really upset and confused. Now if someone that knows about training and is a trainer i will allow cantering and possible lower level jumping. But all the responses i have gotten are people that are wanting to gallop and run her hard and work her hard. And they dont know anything about horses.

And would you want to lease out a horse and never be able to see it? How do you know the horse isnt being beaten? Starved? But the person isnt willing to let you see the horse. And then comes the time to get the horse. Can show you abandoned a horse because you never came out. Automatic horse turn over to that person. I doubt i will be out there 24/7 but i do want access to my mare at all times. Not to train or work but to check in on her and see her.


Have you guys ever passionatly loved a horse as a it was your own kid? Or do you just see them to be thrown away when you are done? Let them go to someone and hope they may care for it?

And yes i dont want her whipped all the time for doing bad. I dont want a huge shank bit in her mouth and her head yanked around. All her ground work is done she just needs time. All she needs is miles i could ride her with no problem.



All i wanted was advice on leasing out so i dont loose my horse and if the ad was ok or needed changed. I didnt need critiqued on how i feel about an animal. Thank you kindly.
 
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