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I read this thing where when this guy did up his horse's girth quickly, his horse bit him. On subsequent tackings, he purposefully as-roughly-as-possible girthed up his horse - basically daring his horse to bite him again.

In the above situation, would you purposefully antagonize the horse just to tell them off? I'm actually not sure if I would, especially if the horse is fine when you girth up over a few tightenings….
 

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None of us is perfect but as responsible handlers we should have a duty of care to the horses we have under our control.
I don't allow horses to bite, its a dangerous habit, but they're flesh and blood like us and so will react to pain in the same way we do.
If we accidentally hurt a horse and it reacts accordingly then we have to own that mistake and not punish the horse for it.
We should discourage a horse from biting or kicking so we should never do anything to encourage them to do those things just so we can punish them for it
 

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Hell no! I want my horse to be relaxed and safe around me, not apprehensive and nervous. It's not as though the horse bit him because it anticipated the "work" - it bit him because the idiot pinched its skin.

For the record, there are at least two horses that stopped snapping at me because I started cinching them up one hole at a time, alternating left and right, and running my hands along the girth each time to straighten trapped skin.
 

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I mean... why would you intentionally escalate the situation? Horses mirror your attitude and aggression. Why feed that and make it so much worse? I've found with horses, most of the time if you react like That Guy, you're setting up for an ever escalating, upward spiral of violence, frustration, and anger - from you AND the horse. I know a lot of guys that will do this though, and it pazzes me off. A couple of ours were getting cinchy - never bit anyone, but you could tell they were on their way to thinking about it if this was the way it was going to be each and every time we saddled up.


I had to stop the 'kids' *boys and daughter* at my house and have a talk with them. They'd learned it from grown men. The fights with the horses were starting, and it would take them longer to saddle up that way, than if they were thoughtful and considerate about cinching up. They were grabbing that latigo, snapping it tight fast and hard, then kicking them in the chest and ribs to get them to 'deflate'. Wow. Just.. No. Stop that nonsense. How would you like someone to basically mug you, slap a leather belt around your waist, then suck it up four holes tighter than you can wear it? Then force you to wear it for hours? That would suck.



Don't have a bit of trouble with any of them now and I better not catch ANYONE cinching up like that, ever again, or I will thrash them myself.



Same thing with a horse refusing to bit up. Getting savage and brutal to get them to take a bit tends to just make the situation so much worse and take so much more time.
 

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serious? Do you think any one will say 'yes', I think it's a good idea to purposefully antagonize a horse so that I can punish him for it. I'd be shocked if they do.


On the other hand, if a horse has a problem area, and you know that it's NOT from pain, then it's reasonable to bring the horse into a situation where that problem might happen again, so that you can 'work' on lessening the problem.


Like . . . say your horse fears crossing water, well, you would bring him into an area with puddles, and with tact, work it so that he becomes able to touch the water, then put a foot in, then two, then cross . . .etc. But, this is not the same thing as provoking a violent respsonse , likely due to pain or a memory of pain, all of a sudden, then 'having it out ' with the hrose.
 

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That's just ridiculous. No, I wouldn't do that. Whatever floats their boat though.

That's like fighting fire with fire. It'd only make the situation worse. Wouldn't do the horse or you any good. Why make it a negative thing (the girth)?
 
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