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Anger and the matter of the carrot or the stick
I have just read through a thread posted on HF which has become fairly polarised about how to chastise a young filly which had shown some bad manners. The thread has attracted a lot of written comment from members of the Forum and slowly a pattern of opinion has emerged. On the one side are those who follow the principle that in modern horse management one should be careful about the use of forcible handling, whilst on the other side there are those owners who believe that firm positive chastisement has its place in enforcing obedience. Some owners say that horses should be shown how to obey; others say that any horse should not be allowed to get away with any misdemeanour. Perhaps both sides will agree that teaching a young horse the boundaries of what is acceptable behaviour towards humans is a tricky exercise - one to be undertaken with care and persistence with a view to the longer term and with consideration as to the nature of the individual horse. It is merely a question of how the objective is to be progressed. As trainers of horses at the very beginning of the process we have to make a choice about which methods we intend to employ.


Over the years I must confess to having carried a crop in my boot which I have used to reinforce instructions given to what was a very stubborn 12 yo horse. But I have never ever beaten to punish a horse with a crop or a whip. I may have reacted instinctively, even in anger, when a horse had barged me out of the way, trodden on my foot or put me at risk but my retribution usually went no further than shouting “OI!” sharply at the offending animal. Invariably it’s enough. Horses mostly hate loud noises and they can readily sense antagonism in a human. One sharp tap with a crop might be appropriate if a mature horse needs to be brought back into compliance but beating a horse with the idea of inflicting pain as punishment is never appropriate when dealing with a dumb animal. The horse can‘t speak, at best it can only defend itself. Mostly all the animal does is to take the punishment in silence and remember the person who inflicted the accompanying pain. Will the horse associate the punishment with the act of disobedience? Well we are told by those experts who are said to know, that it depends upon how quickly the punishment follows the act of disobedience. There is a second or two for the human to respond in at the most. What is noticeable is that we humans are very apt to say that the horse has no ability to reason for consequences but when we are chastising the animal we expect the horse to associate the pain of chastisement with the cause for the punishment. Surely humans can’t have it both ways.


Now we all know people who rant first and then think afterwards. I suspect we also know horse owners who are quick to punish their disobedient horse with a slap. Such owners may regularly act out of anger which has no place in horse management or in horse riding. Rage is completely destructive in relationships be they between humans or between humans and animals. Acts carried out in anger can easily become acts of cruelty. On the other hand, one can readily understand how a clumsy or wilful action of a animal weighing half a ton can bring about injury to a human especially a slightly built young woman. However as owners or riders we should always adopt defensive procedures when in the close proximity of horses. Whenever a particular horse is prone to aggression towards humans then undeniably steps must be taken to isolate that animal from regular contact with people. Luckily horses by nature aggressive towards humans are not common but all horses regardless of temperament are heavy, powerful creatures and they become unpredictable when excited or fearful. One should not punish them for panicking when in fact what they need is re-assurance.


It is widely promoted that a horse is born with fear uppermost in its mind but fear mostly comes from a bad experience. I personally would rather say that the horse is instilled with suspicion of anything new, unknown or out of place. To be cautious in this life in my mind is a virtue and not a vice. Nature has given the horse the common sense to be wary of its major predators on this world - humans. So the human when beating a horse does no more than to reinforce the horse’s inbred fears. By chastising the horse the owner may assuage for themselves their own anger but he/she does nothing to reinforce his/her relationship with the animal which he/she will need to trust implicitly later when mounted on its back. To be able to ride any horse well, the rider must be in receipt of willing acceptance and compliance from the horse. The rider might obtain compliance through fear but willingness is more elusive.


In Britain most horses are backed at 4 and until then they are left to grow. Between weaning and coming into work there is a period when we aim to get the youngster halter broke. In later life we shall always need to catch the animal, to shoe it and box it. The horse must learn stable manners. For sure we don’t want young stock to fear humans So the unschooled youngster calls for some very careful handling and preferably only by experienced horse people. Teaching a youngster to be halter broke is more than just training it to follow at the shoulder - it involves showing the youngster that there is nothing to fear in doing what its master has asked it to do. That is a fundamental requirement for the further training of the adult horse. The horse must trust its trainer.

I spend a lot of time getting my intelligent and sensitive mare to trust me. Nowadays one slapping by me, for any misdemeanour by her, would put me back months in her ongoing training. Furthermore nobody on our yard is allowed to handle her unless I have given them instructions as to the acceptable way of doing so. If she should misbehave then it would have been my fault for creating the wrong environment. She expects me and other humans to respect her and in return I expect her to trust me and other humans. It is called a partnership between species. After many years of being with horses I firmly believe I have a better relationship with my horse by persuading her to comply with my request than by compelling her under threat. On those rare occasions when I do develop anger then I come away from my horse because whatever I might do in anger might well prove to be counter productive with long lasting consequences.

In the XXIst century horses are largely kept by humans for pleasure. I personally hope my horse gets some pleasure from being with me, otherwise what is the point?

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barry g; that is a totally excellent post, and i agree with it wholeheartedly. in point of fact; as people will know from this forum, i advocate a kinder way, but there are 2 instances that come to mind that i think are relevant here; both involve handling on the ground; one is with a horse i had who was hardly broken. it sometimes took over an hour just to mount her! she would blow up, run forward ( lunge into canter, not just walk off) step sidewards, rear, you name it, she did it. i spent monthes working on tapping and stroking her all round, swinging the stirrups, etc. basically rebreaking her to saddle, and we went from 2 people holding her while i mounted, to me doing it alone. however, one day she was having none of it and she went through every trick in her book, to stop me mounting, and i really had reached the point where i could cheerfully have laid into her with a whip! i was overheated and so was she!!! did i grab that whip??? NO!!! ( and yes i did ride with one, as an aide, not a punishment) no, i did not, i walked away from her, and took ten minutes to gather my thoughts, and calm down. i then went into her, calm and determined that i was mounting and she would let me, and low and behold, she too was calm, no longer the snorting monster of a few minutes before, she knew she had took me tomy limits!! she stood rock still, i mounted, and we went for a lovely ride.. this to me is a good example of how a horse can pick up on our mood, and why it is so important to back off, and approach things from a calm and kind approach. ..when i worked for the n.h. i often rode horse that were calm for me, and jiggy and excitable for others- they pick up on our moods, therefore we are responsible for how the mood escalates... the other story this has reminded me of, is the mare i have now; in the summer after we have been out, i always wash her off in any sweaty areas, its part of her routine. so one day we came back from a quick trip around the village, and she wasnt sweaty at all, so she just had a brush over. when leading her into her box she planted her feet firmly, and refused to budge. the girl with me was instant raised eyebrows, and show her who's boss, while i just wondered aloud why she didnt want to go in. the reason was obvious to me, it was the only thing that was different; she expected her wash, and was letting me know that i had "forgotten" something. so stating my theory out loud, the girl with me sniggered and looked incredulous. i simply turned my mare around, tied her back up, gave her a quick wash, she looked smug and happy- things were as they should be!- the human got the message, and i then walked her into her box no problems whatsoever, and me, i got the satisfaction of being right to my friend! this is just a light hearted example of why i always look to the horse, to tell me whats wrong, from their point of view. it does not mean they walk all over me; they respect me, i never get my foot stepped on, barged etc. just a word will suffice- they are far more intelligent than most humans give credit for. and i for one want my relationship with horses to be one of partnership, in equal parts- one in which we respect each other, exactly as you say in your post.
 

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I smack mine on shoulder with my hand with the firm "stop it" when it gets to the dangerous point (like she's trying to walk thru me to chase my other mare away from the food). Doesn't hurt them, but they do understand they did something wrong. Personally I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not an offense or abuse, but a reminder. My horses live much better life then me, so I'd expect them at least to respect me. :lol:
 

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Another excellent post, Barry!

I'm all for being as gentle as possible and for my horse being my partner. I don't ride with a whip, Scout doesn't need it as an aid, and if he needed it as a discipline tool under saddle I wouldn't be up there anyway. I use an NH cue stick for formal groundwork as an extension of my arm. If any horse I work with is being an idiot, I will not heitate to allow him to hit the stick (or my hand) if he invades my space. I love my boy, and he surely isn't afraid of me (I routinely sit in his stall and "visit" with him while he's laying on the stall floor, napping), but he outweighs me nearly ten times over. There is a line I draw with him that he is not permitted to cross. I remind him of it through body language, but if he continues to push he'll get a "bite." Our partnership is 51% me, 49% him. I'm the brains, he's the brawn. Some things are not up for discussion.

All horses are different, and react differently to different stimuli. Would I take a weanling wearing a halter for the first time and bash him for crowding me? No, I would nudge him back over, make it harder for him to invade. Now, my fella knows better than to crowd under any circumstances, so if he does for any reason aside from fear, he gets a "telling off." Same goes for confirmed abuse cases. If they don't know what the right answer is, it's carrot time. Teach the right answer. If the horse is trying to up his position on the totem pole, or ignoring my "nice" face and effectively telling me to buzz off, I see no problem with getting his attention with a single spank, with hand or with stick. A boss mare won't clobber a colt for barging, but the same mare will let the 12 year old gelding have it from both barrels for the same offense.

Excellent topic! I look forward to reading more replies! :D
 

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My thoughts are along the lines of Scoutrider.

Just last night everyone was getting a good grooming before dinner. My older one didn't think I was moving fast enough and was getting antsy. At one point he swung his head in my direction, not far enough to actually bite me but his intention was clear, he got a good smack on the neck and told "enough". He pouted for awhile, life sucks when your a horse....LOL

There are "no vote" items when it comes to horse's, crowding, biting and kicking to name a few. Your darn tooting they'll get a "bite" for any of those things. It doesn't come in the form of a beating, but I see no problem with a smack, be-it with your hand or horseman's stick.

I spend a lot of time getting my intelligent and sensitive mare to trust me. Nowadays one slapping by me, for any misdemeanour by her, would put me back months in her ongoing training.
I highly doubt it........
 

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I go along generally with G and K and Scoutrider. There are certain things that get a smack, but most horses will stop with a firm no. My no is no actually a word, it is more a loud sound similar to if you said the word "ant" very forcefully. All my horses understand it. In most cases saying the word easy forcefully is enough to remind them of what they should do.

I will say that my step-father rides a stallion, when he does things like squeal and stomp at mares he gets a quick slap on the neck. He pouts, but it gets the point across and keeps everyone safe.
 

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Barry,
It is no wonder to me that people get caught off guard by their horses from time to time.
Horses are Much faster at things than us and react to whatever that thing is that they are reacting to.

When you are laying on the ground looking up you start to feel foolish that you were bested by this beast and it is only natural for a human to get angry and want to get back at the thing that made you look so bad.

I was one of those people for many years.

The thing is, as time went on I started to see that horses ALWAYS give a "TELL" and they act out what they are feeling at that moment in time.
If a person misses that moment then the horse is ahead of them.

Setting boundaries is all about being ahead of the horse because if you are not ahead of him then he is going to be ahead of you.

"Feel" has EVERYTHING to do with looking at a horse and knowing what is about to happen.
And "Feel" has everything to do with being ahead of that horses idea that they are getting and sort of changing their mind to a better idea.

If the idea already happened,then the handler is just too late and any amount of smacking is not going to do a darn thing accept get all parties upset.

The boundary is very important and will not be established without some good leadership.
A lot of folks don't realize how much direction a horse needs to feel comfortable and if they don't get it (the horse),then they just start to make it up on their own.
A horse is so much more comfortable when they know where they are suppose to be and will relax when they are sure that they are in the right place.

These ideas are not something that I just cooked up with a couple of hippy friends and the ideas can be found in the books of
Tom and Bill Dorrance,Ray Hunt,Buck Brannaman,Mark Rashid,Curt Pate,or a dozen other writers.

The other thing that I have seen in my life is the parallel between how people go about solving problems with their horse and also with the people in their lives.

It seems to carry over.
 

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It is the human's thinking brain which is left behind - the sub concious part of the brain maybe just as quick but if the horse moved first then we shall always be left behind.
Age makes our reactions slower but we think more.

"It seems to carry over" - very often I suspect because a relationship with a certain kind of horse is a substitute for a relationship with people.
Horses are more constant.

One has one's up and downs but in the process one creates memories.
The horse has a long memory but indeed so does a human.
Life is but a continuation of memories.

B G

Tom Dorrance, True Unity, I have read - the others I do not know. Titles please.
 

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Just do a search on the names and the titles of the books will come up.
These guys are very well known here and most of the titles are available at amazon.com.
I think Mark Rashid is up to 7 books now.
I attended one of his clinics just a few weeks ago and problem horse after problem horse was dealt with in a soft and quiet manner,But he was VERY effective and helped every horse and rider.
 

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There are "no vote" items when it comes to horse's, crowding, biting and kicking to name a few. Your darn tooting they'll get a "bite" for any of those things. It doesn't come in the form of a beating, but I see no problem with a smack, be-it with your hand or horseman's stick.

My girl doesn't do any of these things.

When she wants to get back at me - she'll turn her head away. SHe'll stand and wait. I know then there's something I have forgotten.

My hand is for stroking, touching, feeling, massaging, cleaning, soothing, never chastisement in any form. She must permit my hand to wander.

Pushing her with fingers or hand or leaning on her - instructs her to move over. She knows I am close and she is careful not to crush me.

When walking along in hand, she'll stop and stand. - a slight tug on the lead rein is enough to move her on. But I will know something is not quite right and I must look for what is wrong. There will be something.

I highly doubt it........[/quote]
No, I have not had to "slap" her in 18 months. I never carry a crop or whip. If I ever were to slap her, it would break the spell.
Raising - even using my voice is enough.

But when she is excited or frightened then I have to sense it but usually I can see as I approach her. Her body posture is somehow different.

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Barry--I completely agree with this post. I am a firm believer in "to get respect, you must show it" and by no means would ever beat a horse, but have never shied away from a good slap on the butt when its needed. I work with all sorts of dogs on a daily basis, from the most confident to the most fearful, and in out interactions, when I want obedience, we use our body language first. The animal will know what I want based on my feet, my body orientation, my eyes, my voice, etc. If the dog does not listen, then we get physical....If that dog were needed in a certain place in the yard that it was not in and refuse to listen to my "stop coming this way" signals well then I would physically move it elsewhere. If the dog comes back, then we do it all over again, this time with a "stay".

As the alpha figure in situations with both the dog and the horse, I expect immediate obedience from any animal I encounter. All dogs are treated with the same level of tolerance, no favors for a new dog to the group or a puppy. All horses are treated the same way. When they do not understand, they are shown. When they disobey, they are reprimanded. Seems fair, yes?

I think what you are referring to here is a matter that is commonly referred to in psychology as positive and negative reinforcement. To illicit a "sit" reaction from the dog, I could offer a cookie. To illicit the same reaction, I could also say, stand over the dog uncomfortably until it sits. If I want my horse to stop being belligerent because he's in a bad mood, I could either offer him an apple in appeasement, or tell him to get over it. Every animal responds to something different.

I follow the "stick" school. However, it is not a weapon--its an extension of my arm. If I were to treat the carrot in this manner, my arm would have been bitten off.
 

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No, I have not had to "slap" her in 18 months. I never carry a crop or whip. If I ever were to slap her, it would break the spell.
I think you may of misinterpreted what my comment meant.

The "I highly doubt it " was in reference to your comment that if you were to give her slap it would set your training back months and months. That's hog wash. It's also hog wash that you must instruct people on how to lead this mare.

What you are doing is enabling her.

What happens if, GOD FORBID, something happened to you and others need to care for her. What, is she going to go over the moon because someone isn't holding the lead rope the way you do, or open or closing gates the same way?

I except each and every one of my horse's to be ladies and gentlemen with whomever they are with.
 

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Even though a sharp 'quit' is undertood by our mares, I see nothing wrong with a smack on the shoulder or butt if needed. I firmly believe that discpline similar to what the herd leader would use (a smack is like a nip or kick to me) is appropriate and well understood. Also, they are not dumb....they know when they have something wrong and I would go so far as to say that some sort of discipline is actually expected.
 

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marecare, that was an excellent post. i firmly agree with what yourself and barry g are saying. as a person who works mainly on my instincts, and empathy, in life as well as in horses, and as i am dyslexic and underwent many years of speech therapy, i continually find that you both, commit to type, the things that i am trying to express on this board; you are both able to say it in a more dignified and "scientific" (if that is the word) way. i would say that in the last 15 years at least, i have not been barged, stepped on, space threatened, none of the things that i hear about on this forum, when these problems come under discussion. not only with my horses, but with other peoples horses as well. i know horses are so more intelligent that people think. i definately know that horses do not think you are thier herd leader- they know you arent a horse, therefore you can never be thier herdleader. and all of the dogma about it is flawed because of the fact that horses know we arent like them. which is why people get caught up in the constant need for dominance / submission. lead mare/ herd member scenario. ( i am not talking down the merits of observation of behavior and interaction between horses in the herd; i am only saying that horses know we are not the herd leader, because we are human- they know that) and because they know that, they are confused, and issues arent resolved in there minds; they percieve you as being aggresive and in there face, you are a human that is kind one minute, and not so pleasant the next in fact you are changable and therefore a constant threat- because instinct is a strong force- they have thousands of years of collective memory to tell them that the human is a creature that does prey on them- you arent the herd leader , and i really dont think it is viable to expect them to think you are. what horses do acknowledge is kindnest, continuaity, calmness, and RESPECT, and they will pay you back for that a million times over. if you treat them with the preceding 4 qaulities, they will give it back to you in abundance. i do not even use haedcollars on my own horses, unless for the farrier or to harness/ saddle up. they voluntarily put themselves in the correct place, they dont ever come into what people would define "myspace" unless it is in affection, when they approach in a friendly manner, knowing i will greet them with a pat and kind words, not a get out of my face reaction, which i feel is some horses lot- all of my actions are intermingled with affection, its all relaxed, its all confident, and thats what i get back; happy, affectionate, considerate, confident horses. as an add on- my horses are so respectful of me that if they accidentally brought thier foot down in the place where mine was, i will only feel the lightest of featherweight contact before they have moved thiers away from mine- they give me consistant consideration and respect, as i do them.... when i worked in national hunt stables and with t.b.s years ago, those horses, who had been used to years of a very different regime, used to delight in putting all of thier considerable weight into the foot, and grinding it in with a no doubt gleeful delight! ah, revenge is sweet!!! ( even to a horse)
 

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DiDi - seemingly a spoilt huzzy.
When I wrote the first post for this thread I had in mind the attitude of a young woman who had written on an other thread about chastising her young horse for perceived misbehaviour. Today I have come to realize that my anger is mostly directed towards the owner of any ill mannered horse rather than the animal itself - unless the horse has already turned aggressive. As an owner of a rescued Rottweiler, a breed prone to regular issues of negative media coverage, I believe it is the dog who pays from the actions of the ignorant or incompetent owner. Likewise horses, living in a world dominated by humans, suffer if their owners neglect to teach them the protocols of living amongst humans, in an highly ordered society.

My own horse, a flighty, sensitive, intelligent mare was passed through the hands of five owners before she was five year old. The lack of continuity of ownership could well be the reason for her skittishness. Under several scenarios which maybe a more self confident animal could cope with easily, DiDi will show signs of stress. She will sweat up, she will profusely salivate, she will shy. It is my job as her current owner to bring stability, routine and security into her life. It is also my responsibility to re-school her so that perhaps one day she can fulfil her planned role in my life - ie that of a Gentleman’s Riding Horse. Despite having recognised long ago her problems, I am still a some way from achieving my objectives for her. One difficulty for me is that she is no fool. For example today I was late to let her out and when I did let her out she showed in a number of very small ways her impatience. It was appropriate for me to ignore her mini strops. She had made her point and indeed I had been late. Other handlers might have been more forceful towards her.

I believe it to be common practice for most private owners to be careful about whom they let ride their horse. I will not allow any ham fisted, incompetent rider to even sit on DiDi’s back. Neither will I offer her to be ridden by ultra competitive show jumpers or pompous dressage riders. Out of the 15 or so riders at the livery yard only one young woman gets to ride DiDi. The young woman is quiet; she has a good seat and she rides well. She doesn’t shout, nor wave her hands about. She knows her stuff and can recognise when DiDi is trying to be awkward. I trust her with my horse not only on the yard but also out in the lanes. She and I have a similar attitude as to how horses should be schooled and ridden. If I am truthful, in many ways she handles my highly strung horse better than either I or my wife. But other folks - well it is not my place to comment unless they are seen to be abusive to their own horse and in fairness that is rare for me to see on our yard. Sadly examples of insensitivity, ignorance, impatience or other inappropriate behaviour are a lot more common.

I have always believed in handling horses regularly from the ground. I find the horse responds well when it can see its handler at head height. We approach frightening obstacles together. We turn tight circles, we stand still, we walk backwards. Her head collar is a 30 year old American nylon rope training halter which works on the nose and poll. A slight resistance on the lead rope is enough to communicate to her that she should stop or turn. Should she hesitate, without any more than light pressure on the rope, I first look round to see if there is a problem. It is generally expected that she walks at my shoulder on a limp line - sometimes even without any lead rope. I don’t speak with her except to request or to soothe. My free hand is there to stroke or direct. Walking in hand in an arena, or along a lane, or more frequently from stable to pasture, I view as a training exercise. I take her for walks into the village and we gossip to villagers. DiDi is being socialised in the same way as I would train a powerful dog. She has to learn to live amongst humans.

There is a skill in handling safely horses from the ground. Whenever I am on the ground I should take as much care as when I am on her back, not least because the horse has a significant weight and power advantage over any man. For many reasons a so-called rider whom I have judged to be unsuitable to ride my horse, is equally unsuitable to lead my horse. Any unexpected (by the horse) handler bringing a strange (to the handler) horse out from its paddock should approach the task with caution.

If I do meet with a rider who handles him/herself well and who owns what is obviously a well mannered horse, then of course it makes sense to let him/her to get to know how to handle my horse - just in case. But on a livery yard, used by riders of all generations, each with a wide range of objectives, one does not offer advice unless it is asked for. Nor does one interfere, especially if one is old enough to be Methusula. We oldies have an image problem with the young.

What happens when I die, well hopefully my wife will carry on. In any case, DiDi, the rescued Rottweiler and the aged terrier are each written into the Will. I would anyway hope that a well mannered, well bred, pretty
Irish Draught mare would find herself a good home even without a dowry, especially if she had managed to mature into a Gentleman’s Riding Horse.

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GENTLEMAN’S RIDING HORSE.
The horse should :
go anywhere its rider asks:,
at any pace over any terrain alone or in company,

The full description might read:
The horse should readily respond to all of the rider’s instructions.
and to actively pass: over highway, along a road a lane a path or a track
at: ground level or along the top of a ridge, through woodland or open countryside
at any pace: Walk: active or extended;
rhythmic or fast trot: medium or extended
Canter: collected or extended
Gallop : fast or flat out

on any surface ie : tarmac, grass, stoney path, cobble stones or rock,
through puddle, flood water or wadeable stream

alone or in company of: other riders of every ability from novice to expert;
at the front of the line, in the middle of the line or at the end of the line

amongst pedestrians, cars, motor cycles, push bikes, lorries, tractors
under birds, kites, balloons, aircraft or helicopters

in wind and rain or thunderstorm despite plastic bags, umbrellas, road signs, footballs

in the presence of barking & aggressive dogs, goats, pigs, donkeys & mule

The horse should show neither fear nor aggression to any human, be they male, female, child or adult.

The horse , whilst under saddle, should permit the touch of any human
whether male, female, adult or child.

The horse must stand on the kerb, awaiting instruction to cross a busy and fast arterial road.
It must pass over a narrow bridge across a motorway
It must pass through a tunnel laid underneath a motorway
It should hold its line of march down a high street or a country lane with passing places
It must wait upon command at traffic lights or other stops signs.
It must stand attentively whilst its rider converses with passers by
It should move forward and move backwards to permit the opening of field gates
It should never ever, whirl or bolt in fright, in fear or as an evasion.
It should hop over ditches, streams and fallen trees.
It must submit to being tied to a hitching point without pulling back whilst patiently awaiting the return of its master.
It must stand to be mounted.
It must ride on or off the bit.
If the rider loses his/her balance, it must pick it up and compensate.


The rider‘s job is to set the route, the horse’s job is to carry safely both itself and the rider over the terrain, whatsoever that may prove to be.
If asked to trot, then the horse should trot, uphill or downhill until asked to change the pace.
If asked to halt, the horse should come to a halt and then stand awaiting it’s master’s pleasure
Never should it evade the bit nor jerk the reins from the rider’s hands.
If the reins are dropped onto the horse’s neck and no further instruction is given, then the horse should make its way at the walk back to the stable by the shortest.

Under no circumstance must the horse, balk, rear, buck or swerve for any reason - except in circumstances when the horse might realize that the way ahead is unsafe for example in land prone to bogs. Neither should the horse snatch succulent plants from the hedgerow however tempting.

All in all, the horse should be judged to be well mannered.

Sadly in the XX1st century , horses truly warranting the title
“A Gentleman’s Riding Horse” are very hard to find.
Invariably they have to be created,

BG
 

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Lillie

Put simply - "you reap what you sow"

Trust is an act of faith on both sides - human and equine.

Barry


PS My wife is a speech therapist - she has been teaching me patience and persistance for a long time.
 

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I think what you are referring to here is a matter that is commonly referred to in psychology as positive and negative reinforcement.
ahhh! ive tought many obedience classes and negative reinforcement is my enemy. for some reason people have such a hard time grasping the concept because they seem to be just stuck in the words "negative reinforcement". *shakes head* i hated trying to explain it over and over :roll: lol
 

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When I wrote the first post for this thread I had in mind the attitude of a young woman who had written on an other thread about chastising her young horse for perceived misbehaviour. Today I have come to realize that my anger is mostly directed towards the owner of any ill mannered horse rather than the animal itself - unless the horse has already turned aggressive.
thanks so much. as if this issue hadnt been hashed out enough in a previous thread which ended up locked, we have to relive it AGAIN.
 
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