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I got offered a free breeding to a friend's 12 hh welsh cob x stud with my 16 hh TB mare. He's adorable and has a lot of substance to him relative to his size with some really nice conformation. I have been planning to breed my mare for a sport pony to bring up. I really can't pass up this deal and since it would be a H/J or eventing/PC pony the fact that it wouldn't be registered isn't a big deal to me as it wouldn't be a breed show animal anyways. I'm looking more at what he can improve on my mare and yet still give me a high probability for a pony sized offspring. Only problem is that they don't AI only do live cover. I have heard of backing mares up to small rises with good footing, building ramps, etc. I'm not sure if any of that is safe or would work for them. Or if the little guy could just stretch and cover her on his own? She has never been bred but has been teased and is a very willing breeder as far as we can tell so I'm not concerned about her hurting him as much as him hurting himself trying to mount her. Anyone ever try this? I am also looking into getting someone to collect him and AI her but they don't have a breeding dummy and I know it's harder to collect without one not to mention I don't have breeding stocks for her either. I have collected and AI'd myself with the proper facilities but I'm not comfortable doing it on my own without a dummy and stocks. So any suggestions, advice, or experience would be helpful. It's still in the planning stages but I don't want to go about it the wrong way. And I'd rather not breed than spend a lot of money on this little project.
 

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God I hope that's true. He's such a cute and polite little stud that I think he would make fantastic babies and not having a stud fee is just awesome lol.
 

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a friend of mine had an A mini (I think A - the smaller size) that she bred to a 16 hand QH. They did a live cover, they made a "ramp" for him. It was made out of a huge pile of packed dirt, they backed her up to him. The first time it didn't take, the second time it did. The mini had excellent confirmation and would have made a darling pony if bred to a mare that was less confirmationally challenged then the one they used....
 

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a friend of mine had an A mini (I think A - the smaller size) that she bred to a 16 hand QH. They did a live cover, they made a "ramp" for him. It was made out of a huge pile of packed dirt, they backed her up to him. The first time it didn't take, the second time it did. The mini had excellent confirmation and would have made a darling pony if bred to a mare that was less confirmationally challenged then the one they used....

lol...i would love to see a picture of that foal:shock:
 

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I might have an old picture I'll look around!
 

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I have a friend who breeds Draft mules that uses the dirt ramp method. So far he has had three little mules born using that method.

I also wanted to warn you. I bred a 13 hand pony mare to a 14 2 hand paint stud. The baby is already 14 hands and not quite two yet. So much for a sport pony he will most likely be over 15 hands at this rate. He was huge when he came out of the mare. There are always genetic surprises when crossing breeds.
 

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Yea I'm not worried about size but hoping for a pony. If it's a cob x TB small horse though it would still make a really cute children/small adult mount. I'm going for a short stirrup mount with the dad's temperament, mom's athletic ability and both their conformation. Hopefully it works out that way haha! There's a little bank at their place we are gonna try I think...I just wanted to see if it was something that had been done safely before =)
 

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friend has a just barely 14 hand arab stud who covered her 17.2 hand arab mare. He was an old pasture stud so he did it without any help. Just put the two together for a while lol. He was notorious for niping and bumping her into a ditch to make her shorter to mount. Had quite a few nice babys out of the pair lol.

As said above....where there is a will there is a way...and when it comes to studs an mares....there is ALWAYS a will. lol.

Then again... when poor little TJ did get a short mare he was in love with her. He would mount her just cause he could and lay on her without breeding. and when they did breed he actually took his time. Not typical of a stud. But when your to short to properly mount your typical 17.2 hand mate....I guess you take your time to enjoy the shorter girls lol.
 

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HAHAHAHA Pidge. I wish there were natural depressions in the pasture but it's super flat. We're going to have to attempt to hand breed and we aren't sure if he's done that before. We will give it a go though...with her backed up to the bank if she kicks she will just hit dirt so it's kinda a good thing overall IMO. We will try to hand breed then turn them out together to try to "seal the deal" so to speak and cover our bases. If this does go I will post pictures of each of them and maybe of the actual event haha.
 

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Not to be rude, but your last sentence scares me a little. You say you'd rather not breed than spend a lot of money on this "little project". Breeding ANY animal is not a little project. If you don't have everything worked out before hand, and have the money set aside in the event of an emergency, maybe it's best you don't breed your mare. Your desired end result is a happy and healthy mom and baby, and without the proper finances and facilities to do that, it's probably best not to.
 

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Not to be rude, but your last sentence scares me a little. You say you'd rather not breed than spend a lot of money on this "little project". Breeding ANY animal is not a little project. If you don't have everything worked out before hand, and have the money set aside in the event of an emergency, maybe it's best you don't breed your mare. Your desired end result is a happy and healthy mom and baby, and without the proper finances and facilities to do that, it's probably best not to.
I think she meant little as in the size of the stud! Not the size or importance of the mission.
 

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Sorry I meant that I have no desire to shell out the same amount of money to breed to this stud as I would if I just paid the stud fee and got some shipped pony semen from a more recognized stud as I can AI myself. I didn't mean that I didn't want to pay for the pregnancy and the baby I just meant that I didn't want to shell out a lot of money for that particular stud but he's got good conformation and a good personality and I wouldn't mind breeding to him if I didn't have to pay a stud and booking fee, plus the expense of the AI kit etc. Hope that clears everything up.
 

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My professor's donkey covered his 17 + HH hanovarian mare. I only wish I had been there to see it, no one knows how it happened but 11.5 months later out popped a tiny little warmblood mule, SURPRISE!!
 

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They're pretty adapt little animals. Shay-la owned a 13hh Welsh stud and he had zero problems covering every one of her mares, from 14 - 15hh.

Elaine bred one of her 16hh+ Warmblood mares to a little Welsh stud, and they actually used the barn. Elaine had an additional section built on her barn, and it was a dirt aisle. They actually dug a trench for the mare to stand in, while the stud remained on the cement aisle of the old barn and he managed just fine!

The foal got big though :lol: His name is Pik Sun and I'm darn sure he's close to 16hh himself now! Third horse down:

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I'm going sunday to look at the stud again. I will take tons of pictures!! He's more welsh cob style and my mare is more dainty TB so I definitely think he will add some substance to her whether they throw ponies or small horses. The market for well conformed youngsters is up and I have had people beg me to breed her and then they'd take the youngster off my hands. So I'm definitely considering this!! I will keep you posted.
 

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With all the unwanted horses in this world, you're going to breed a mare that has a nasty temperament with a backyard stud pulled from auction. Doesn't that kinda make "rescuing" the stud from auction a mute point? The market for large ponies is not good around here at all. There are $35,000 large ponies with a mile-long show record and papers going for under $10,000.
 

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With all the unwanted horses in this world, you're going to breed a mare that has a nasty temperament with a backyard stud pulled from auction. Doesn't that kinda make "rescuing" the stud from auction a mute point? The market for large ponies is not good around here at all. There are $35,000 large ponies with a mile-long show record and papers going for under $10,000.


i have to agree...sorry OP....there are so many people giving away great horses for practically nothing you could probably buy a foal for a lot cheaper....neither sire nor dam have a show record that you have mentioned and it would just make another cross breed (not saying there is anything wrong with grades...just there are already so many good ones needing homes....)
 
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