[horseluver250]

Does the apha require horse with impressive lines to be tested in order to register them?

 

[thunderhooves]

how would they know they had the lines if they weren't registered? I don't think so, but I'm not sure.

 

[farmpony84]

The OP didn't say the parents weren't registered.

There are rules that are either already in effect OR going into effect by a specific date for AQHA, the Appaloosa association, and the Polomino association.

As for the APHA, I don't believe there are any proposals out there yet. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong.

I would definitely have a horse that is Impressive bred voluntarily tested. Just understand, if one parent has no Impressive bloodlines and the other parent is NN, Or if both parents are Impressive bred and are HYPP/NN then there is no need to test.

The only reason you would test is if the parent or parents were NH (Which means they carry one copy of the gene and have a 50% chance of passing it on) or HH (Which means they carry two copies and the chances of passing it on are 100%).

Hope that helps.

 

[CheyAut]

I beleive AQHA does, yes. However, I don't have QH so I could be wrong

 

[jagman6201]

Just did a research project on HYPP - and no, you're right farmpony84; APHA doesn't - AQHA does.

 

[horseluver250]

Hi guys thats for the replies. I had thought AQHA required it, just wasn't sure about APHA. And just out of curiousity, does AQHA make note of it on the horse's papers if they are hypp N/H?

 

[iridehorses]

AQHA make note of it on the horse's papers if they are hypp N/H?

The short answer is "Yes". AQHA makes note of any result of HYPP testing so you may see: N/N as well.

 

[horseluver250]

Thanks for the info. Seems silly that APHA doesn't do that as well!

 

[Eastowest]

APHA could probably take some steps they haven't taken, but noting every Impressive descendant and requiring testing is not as simple as it sounds for APHA-- AQHA can do it because all of the AQHA Impressive descendants are registered with AQHA and they own the AQHA database-- Impressive was born in 1969, had 2500 direct offspring, and is estimated to now have over 100,000 descendants. HYPP was not testable until 1992. AQHA did not start noting descency from Impressive until 1997 IIRC and did not start requiring testing and noting results on AQHA papers until 2007, so some pretty big time gaps in info available from AQHA to other registries that allow QH parentage.

There could be Impressive descendants in APHA which no longer have Impressive on their papers and/or were entered as or descended from an approved parent with their four generation pedigree and Impressive has dropped off-- so tracing all possible Impressive descendants when you have not had complete info, and when AQHA does not share their database freely, would be a pretty big task, and difficult to do accuratley and completely this long "after the fact".

 

[farmpony84]

They probably will eventually. To clarify on AQHA showing results on papers...

Beginning with 1998 foals, the rule requires the following notification to be placed on the registration certificates of foals descending from any bloodline determined to carry the HYPP gene:

"This horse has an ancestor known to carry HYPP, designated under AQHA rules as a genetic defect, AQHA recommends testing to confirm presence or absence of this gene."

Not until 2007 were they REQUIRED to be tested by AQHA:

Beginning with the 2007 foals, all Impressive progeny are required to be parentage verified and HYPP tested subject to the conditions listed in rule 205. Any that test H/H will not be eligible for registration.

 

[kitten_Val]

There are rules that are either already in effect OR going into effect by a specific date for AQHA, the Appaloosa association, and the Polomino association.

That should be recent, right? My feeling was AQHA still allowed it pretty recently. But if they require now - my respect.

 

[farmpony84]

That should be recent, right? My feeling was AQHA still allowed it pretty recently. But if they require now - my respect.

Beginning with the 2007 foals, all Impressive progeny are required to be parentage verified and HYPP tested subject to the conditions listed in rule 205. Any that test H/H will not be eligible for registration.

Of course that concerns me becuase NOW you have an UNREGISTERED horse carrying the gene, if it's a mare what's to stop someone from breeding it? I think they should force them to be branded or marked in someway.... Kind of like in those Mutant camps in that movie the X-men.

 

[my2geldings]

Of course that concerns me becuase NOW you have an UNREGISTERED horse carrying the gene, if it's a mare what's to stop someone from breeding it? I think they should force them to be branded or marked in someway.... Kind of like in those Mutant camps in that movie the X-men.

I agree with you but I don't know that it would matter. It would stop breeders and horse owners from even buying those horses or breeding them(because no one wants an unregistered horse), but the rest of the population wouldn't care. I bet you most would probably not even know what the branding stands for.

Those numbers that were posted are huge, it's so scary to know how many horses are running around with problems.

 

[kitten_Val]

Of course that concerns me becuase NOW you have an UNREGISTERED horse carrying the gene, if it's a mare what's to stop someone from breeding it? I think they should force them to be branded or marked in someway.... Kind of like in those Mutant camps in that movie the X-men.

I think what they did still helped a lot. Number of people will stop breed those because babies can't be registered (and usually registration brings more money to the seller). I personally really like Impressive lines so that was a good move at least to try to get rid of dangerous gen in future generations.

 

[rider4life]

Those numbers that were posted are huge, it's so scary to know how many horses are running around with problems.

What's even scarier is that HYPP has become entangled in many other breeds, due to the desireability of adding Impressive's musculature and the unethical secrecy of breeders about HYPP once it was discovered.

 

[farmpony84]

I think what they did still helped a lot. Number of people will stop breed those because babies can't be registered (and usually registration brings more money to the seller). I personally really like Impressive lines so that was a good move at least to try to get rid of dangerous gen in future generations.

I have two Impressive horses and I'd buy 10 more if I had the money....

 

[PaintsPwn]

2/3 of my paints trace back to Impressive... Tuff might also, I'm not for sure, but I know Turd and Cowboy do. However, we will never set up a date for Turd with anything less than an N/N stallion. HYPP Is awful, and I will not be held responsible for being apart of this easily avoided catastrophy of a disease >.<

I've been very happy with the Impressive line, and it just so happens that my eye prefers horses that have that line. He did give us some AWESOME horses, and he was 'the big cheese' in his day, and while conformation wise he was considered perfect - you know the saying. If it's too good to be true, it probably is.

With today's technology and in-hand information, there is no reason for anyone to be using HYPP N/H or H/H horses for breeding. At All.

 

[FlyinSoLow]

What stinks now is there are a lot of 'grade' horses that go through New Holland and I'd bet they used to be AQHA registered horses (broodmares) that people buy and don't know these horses could be Hypp positive, becuase they are sold as grade and without papers.

If I bought an unregistered horse that is built like a brick **** house, with a lot of bulk, and looked like a Quarter Horse I'd spend the extra few bucks and get it tested, just to be safe!