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I went to my aunts house today and rode for about 20 minutes, while my fiance was fixing some things up. I havn't rode almost all winter, or should I say...all winter! I went to groom her and what not when I was done, and noticed the frogs on her hind feet were black. Not sure if this is normal for the winter or not so just thought I could get some good advice here.

They didn't smell too abnormal, but not like 'roses' either. They didn't seem to phase her when I poked at them or anything with the pick. She has front shoes on but no back shoes. There was no limping or any sign of discomfort while in action of any sort.
 

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Thrush is normally tar like, not just black. It probably wouldn't hurt to go ahead and treat
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A black frog is normal. So is a creamy frog. It all depends on the horse. If black isn't the usual colour for your horse's frogs, then it's an issue.

I had thrush sneak up on me. I can't smell it for some reason. Everyone says it smells so much, but I can't tell. I'll ask my son to do my horses feet sometimes and ask him. He has really bad allergies, but go figure: he can smell the thrush! The video is quite good, though I wouldn't count on just the "black" rubbing off indicating thrush. The change in the sulci is the best indicator for me now.

Ask someone else to have a look at his feet. And, treat for mild thrush if you like. Use non-invasive treatments, like ACV, zinc ointment, athlete's foot cream, sugardine, etc. Just wash well and dry before applying.
 

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Can't hurt to hit it with a little diluted vinegar. I can't smell it until it's really bad either. If I see a color that doesn't look normal, I treat it to be safe.
 

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I've been reading alot about ACV for thrush, so decided to call my old farrier (in another state, I've moved away) and ask him. He's a Master Farrier/ Certified Journeyman Farrier and has been doing this for 35 years.. in other words qualified and I trust him.

He said ACV is an old wives tale and does not work, and if by chance it did on someone's horse it was because something else had been done as well and it was coincedence
 

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Thanx for the advice all!! Well, it is definately not usual for her frogs to be that black, it goes all the way up to the bulbs of her heel, it was really noticeable and almost like a shock. I will put on some thrush treatment anyways. I have used ACV before but not on my horse. I used it on my aunts horse, and I didn't continue to "treatment" because she had bought this other stuff, so I'm not sure if it really works or not. I will not dissagree with you qtrhorsecrazy, but I would like some other comments on how well the ACV worked for those who have tried it and was consistant with it. Once again, thank you all for your advice, this is exactly what I like to read when I have questions!!! :)
 

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I have to disagree with the old wives tale theory on ACV. Vinegar has been used for generations for many fungal/yeast infections. The acid modifies the Ph of the area making it hard for an alkaline based fungus to invade. I've not used it as a cure but rather a preventative. I prefer an antiseptic/fungicide treatment as a cure.
I agree the ACV is more for mild cases and preventatives rather than a cure.
 

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I agree with Vidaloco, we (a veterinary teaching hospital) recommend it to people all the time with great results. It has worked wonderfully on my horse as well as dozens of patients in the hospital. I'll try to do a journal search and see if there are any documented scientific studies on it.

On another note, things like Koppertox are very harsh and more and more veterinarians are moving away from using these toxic chemicals on their patients.
 

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Ok thank you so much vidaloco, and everyone else too! I will let you know what happens, what I presume it is (which I decided it is thrush, so far) and how the treatment goes and what I use. Thank you once again,s ooo much
 

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Ideally, the best thing you can do for thrush is keep the foot clean and dry. The thrush fungus can't survive when exposed to oxygen. Good luck and hope you get it cleared up soon. :)
 

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I just happened to watch the video that you sent me vidaloco, and I really liked it! When he says that you can use any type of antiseptic would that include rubbing alchohol, peroxide, and possibly others that I would have in my barn/house, other than actual thrush treatment?
 

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If your looking for home remedies you would be better off with antifungal type treatments like athletes foot creams or sprays. Get the foot clean and dry before applying anything. Use something like betadine or an alodine shampoo in water. Just dip a scrub brush in the water and scrub the foot. If you don't have that type of shampoo, any antibacterial cleaner diluted in water would work. Do not use bleach! That eats away tissue that would then become vulnerable to thrush.


ETA- I buy generic triple antibiotic cream and athletes foot creams, mix them together 50/50. That's my standard thrush treatment that I keep on hand.
 

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Ok, yea, I'm not sure if I have any special shampoo like that, but I will look. Hey, this might be a good time for me to reorganize my shelves haha. You should see them...it is horrible lol. But ok, I'll look around and if not I'll find any antibacterial cleaner and dilute it.
 

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You can use the peroxide if thats all you have. I would again use a brush to make sure it gets into the folds and cracks of the frog. As far as cleaning, you don't want something that will burn and be painful. If you don't have anything, just be sure to brush the frog out well before pouring on the peroxide.
 

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You can use dish detergent as well instead of shampoo. I use Sunlight (because that's all I use in my house), but was recommended to use Dawn.

Also, I wanted to comment on one thing in that video -- he talks about getting a small wire brush to clean with. I would stay away from wire brushes. Wires can and do fall out of them and can easily penetrate frogs and other soft tissues. They are nasty when they do. There are plently of stiff bristle brushes to be had.

My experience with ACV is that is it preventative only. It is not a cure for thrush already established. I use anti-fungal agents such as tripleantibiotic and athlete's foot cream, like V says, or Zinc Oxide. I have and will use again something like Koppertox, but only for a one time, maximum two-day application if I was a bad momma and the thrush got away on me :( -- speaking from experience <sigh>. Then follow up with the creams.
 

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Ok thank you Northernmama! Do you use those preventatives daily, weekly, or monthly?? If I use anything I will either use the athletes foot cream or the AVC. I really like the natural histolic-type methods of treatment/preventatives, so I will try to use AVC as a preventative but as for the thrush, I will, of course, use the treatment on the shelves. This is the first time, since I've had her, that she has gotten thrush, so I'm not going to beat myself up over this, but I will do everything in my power (which was, what I was doing before I became lazy since the snow hit) and make sure this doesn't happen again! Thank you very much!!
 

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I agree with Vidaloco, we (a veterinary teaching hospital) recommend it to people all the time with great results. It has worked wonderfully on my horse as well as dozens of patients in the hospital. I'll try to do a journal search and see if there are any documented scientific studies on it.

On another note, things like Koppertox are very harsh and more and more veterinarians are moving away from using these toxic chemicals on their patients.
I'd love to read about it if you find something. I too would like to get away from Koppertox and similiar treatments, why I called and asked him about the ACV. I also plan on asking my vet about it as well
 

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I keep a spray bottle of ACV with my horse cleaning stuff. When I clean feet I give them a squirt of ACV. It makes it really easy.
 

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Great! I'm going to do that from now on. I appreciate all the advice I have gottenf rom eeryone!!!
 

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Ok thank you Northernmama! Do you use those preventatives daily, weekly, or monthly?? If I use anything I will either use the athletes foot cream or the AVC. I really like the natural histolic-type methods of treatment/preventatives, so I will try to use AVC as a preventative but as for the thrush, I will, of course, use the treatment on the shelves. This is the first time, since I've had her, that she has gotten thrush, so I'm not going to beat myself up over this, but I will do everything in my power (which was, what I was doing before I became lazy since the snow hit) and make sure this doesn't happen again! Thank you very much!!
As per Vidaloco, ACV whenever you clean won't hurt anything and supposedly helps. Triple AB, Athlete's foot cream and Zinc Oxide are treatments, not preventatives, though I can't see how they could hurt if you used them regularly. They WILL cure thrush, wash feet and apply daily, twice a day if you like. Koppertox and other harsh chemicals will cure also (bleach, peroxide, other commercial mixes) but how much damage do they also do to surrounding healthy tissue? I don't know that, but if I won't put it on me daily for a week, I certainly won't put it on my horse either for a week. One or two applications, yes, but that's about it, then switch to something else.
 
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