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Kso, I was looking over the internet and decided to look up some horse training colleges. I am wanting to go to a horse training college to someday become a pro. horse trainer. I found one place, it's called Meredith Manor (MM).
I was wondering if anyone has went to that college before, and if they did, was it good there? why or why not? Did you learn lots there? I would really like lots of information about the place.
Also, does anyone know where this place is located? I looked on their site and bit and didn't find it.
Thanks so much! :D
 

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There have been a few threads about Meredith Manor and the general consensus is that the education may be nice, but the living situations are less than ideal. What are you looking to pursue there? There are other colleges (two of them I applied to) that offer degrees in equestrian science, if that's what you're looking for. First being Stephens College. Point blank, I loooove Stephens, but it is an all women's college. The second is Ohio University-Southern Campus. I never visited this campus, but I heard there are no actual dorms, but you can live with families in the surrounding areas or in apartments

http://www.stephens.edu/academics/programs/equestrian/

http://www.catalogs.ohio.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=16&poid=3549&returnto=789
 

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This is just my opinion but I think you would be just as well off sending me $40,000 and I would send you a certificated on very nice paper with very nice caligraphy hell I'd even frame it for you. Then you would not be out as much time and you could get a degree from a real college that would be useful in other fields. I see little point in any "college" that limits your options. The entire point of a college education is to expand your options. Getting a business degree and working summers for a trainer would do the same thing for you but you would have a degree that is valuable in every field. If the horse "colleges" do as well at preparing thier students to be professional horseman as traditional colleges do in preparing thier students to enter thier chosen field you would end up with a very expensive piece of paper and still have to work for a trainer as a student.
 

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I thought the same thing as Kevin. It is a waste of time. There is no real money in horses. Boarding doesn't even pay that well. You need benefits, a pension plan and MONEY.. Get a degree that pays well and enjoy horses as a hobby, not a source of income.
It is romanitic to think you can spend all your time with horses but not practical.
You want to make money on horses?? Shoe. It pays well but is not for everyone.
Get a real education, a good job and then enjoy horses.
 

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I am going to a "horse college" But no way in hell would I actually major in something to do with training. I am going the practical route (English major) with a minor in Equine Journalism. That's as close to the horse industry as a living as I'm getting! haha
 

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This topic has been rehashed a LOT - I think we need to sticky one of these threads haha! :) A few years ago I, too, really wanted to do the whole "horse college" thing. But I decided to take a gap year to be a working student (which was FREE) and I learned more in that amount of time than I ever would have at "horse school." I met a ton of esteemed professionals and they said they wouldn't touch a horse-college grad with a ten-foot pole. Farriers, trainers, etc - they all said the same thing. The thing is that riding is very different to the other career paths that you can major in - it can't be taught in a clinical, right/wrong way the way other things can. You'd be MUCH better off contacting your favorite top rider, spending a year or two as a working student, and then getting a NON-HORSEY degree to fall back on. You may never work outside of the horse industry but you NEED to be prepared in case you break your neck, back, whatever and can't do the horse thing anymore. You don't want to be 45 and a grocery store cashier, do you? Major in something you love, the thing you'd do if all the horses in the world disappeared.
Meredith Manor has a pretty bad reputation. The Olympian I was a working student for said the couple of MM grads she had were the most useless working students - they were unsafe, totally convinced that their (incorrect) techniques were right, yada yada.
Being a working student will earn you respect. It won't make you $100,000+ in debt. And it'll show you if you REALLY want to be a pro - a lot of people argue when I say that, but you can't say a thing until you've worked a 17 hour day, had a horse die with it's head on your lap, broken a bone and had to keep working the rest of the day, and been thrown into a cross-country fence - all in one day. A lot of days are like that, and the horse-college grads come out into the real world oftentimes thinking it's all pwiddy ponies and fun rides and ribbons. It's not. That's maybe 1% of it.
 

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I've heard from actual students of Meredith manor that the place is a dump. Don't waste your time and money going to a school learning the basics 1/2 the year, and things you could easily learn online or as a working student the next.

There are some ways to get involved with horses that actually provide a paycheck.... take a 6 week equine massage class. Go to school to become a farrier. Become a vet assistant. Do what I did and start a farm sitting business... sometimes I've got up to 4 clients on any given weekend, doing all chores (obv. I'd only take on very small/backyard facilities if I was doing 4 in one weekend). Apprentice with a trainer for awhile, learn how to teach, and find a place where you can teach beginner lessons. If you don't mind picking up your life and doing something else, go on yardandgroom.com and find a farm to manage/be a working student at. You might not get pay/great pay for awhile, but there are some great places out there that just need extra hands, where you'll learn more than you ever will at Meredith Manor.
 

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Riosdad, How do you think horses make no money? there are some horses out there worse thousands of dollars. to be honest, i totally disagree with you. horses are something that i would like to get into, not just for a hobby. but thanks anyways.
and thanks everyone else, lots of help :)
 

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Riosdad, How do you think horses make no money? there are some horses out there worse thousands of dollars. to be honest, i totally disagree with you. horses are something that i would like to get into, not just for a hobby. but thanks anyways.
and thanks everyone else, lots of help :)
For every person that is making a decent living in the horse business there are hundreds that are not. Just because a horse is worth thousands of dollars doesn't mean it made anyone any money. It likely means that it cost thousands of dollars to train the animal and the person would like some of that back. Trainers sometimes make a pretty good living but they work from daylight to dark every day and many still fail and get jobs outside the horse industry.

Riosdad has been around enough barns that he can speak from experience, as can I. The difference between the people that make it in the horse business and those that don't is the business skill and ability to deal with people not thier knowledge of horses.
 

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Riosdad, How do you think horses make no money? there are some horses out there worse thousands of dollars. to be honest, i totally disagree with you. horses are something that i would like to get into, not just for a hobby. but thanks anyways.
and thanks everyone else, lots of help :)
there's no money in training, no money in boarding, no money in breeding. The only thing you can make a good living off is shoing.
I have a great day time job, one with benefits, with a pension plan and through it I can afford to play all I want with horses.
How are you going to make money off horses?? Buy a place, start a boarding business. Again no money in boarding.
Lessons are the big payers in owning a stable but it involves 100's of little kids, their parents and you have to own an arena and lots of school horses.
No make money elsewhere and keep horses as a hobby.
 

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What Kevin and RiosDad said. There is no money to be made in the horse business. 90% of the time, most of your money earned is put back into the horse for one reason or another, usually training.

I had a friend who spent a year doing a Natural Horsemanship program in Montana, and she said it was a total waste of time. It got her nowhere, and it's not going to mean diddly when it comes time for her to settle into her career.

Honestly, it will mean much more to any possible clients if you had spent time working underneath a well-known trainer, any well-known trainer you can find. And even then, there are SOOO MANY PEOPLE out there, on this forum, that want to be trainers, so getting a client in itself is super hard, because you have to prove you are better than almost every horse lover in the world.

Oh, and as far as SeWCH said about equine massage, I would never hire a masseuse, nor a chiropractor, for my horse that wasn't a licensed vet, and there are a lot of people who feel the same. Just something to think about.
 

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there are some horses out there worse thousands of dollars.
Though it's already been said a few times, there is generally no money in the horse business. Even if horses are 'worth thousands of dollars', those sale prices are nothing compared to the cost that goes into maintaining them. To put in some numbers one horse costs roughly around $3,000 annually (more or less) just for ideal upkeep, and this would be for a healthy, easy-keeper and does not include any emergency vet calls, training fees, or things of that nature. Once again, that's an estimation for good mandatory upkeep - things like feed, bedding, deworming, trims, shoes, vet check-ups, vaccinations, dental work, board fees (if the horse isn't kept on your property), etc.

Considering the difference after a horse is sold, depending on how long the owner who's selling has had the horse (or depending on circumstances), the loss of profit could be - and usually is - huge. Very rarely would you ever come out with more money than you put in. Even if you had a really great horse that you had highly trained and were ready to sell for some decent bucks, you never know when 'luck' could turn around with horses. That 'star horse' could get terribly injured the next day and be rendered unsuitable for riding, making it worth nothing more than a companion horse, and if your income was dependent on that horse then there'd be a serious problem. There is no solid foundation on such a business; it's very chancy, and unfortunately the odds are against it.

Even if you do pursue education in horses, I agree with what others stated: have a back-up plan (a different career to 'fall back on', in other words), and don't go to college for it. I'd find going to college for horses, while sounding extremely fun, to be a bad idea, especially if you want to have a business in something like training or boarding. College is going to put you up to your neck in debt to begin with, and if you go into a non-profitable business while being in extreme debt, that'll turn into even more debt, and you then wouldn't be able to provide what is needed for your business.
 

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Well, if you really are dead set on going to college FOR horses - then I recommend Stephens college. I can say from experience since I'm sitting in one of their dorms and just about to head out to the barn for my riding class.
They do have a major that is more training oriented if you really think you're qualified enough to pursue it, but I recommend the major I'm currently doing; equine business management. It's pretty much a business degree with a specilization in the equine industry. They have a "plus one program" where in an extra year you can acquire a masters in business which is my "fall back". If horses don't end up working out, I always have that on my resume saying I have a masters degree in business. But - I'm also getting that continuing horse knowledge and they program is great. I ride for at least 2 hours every other day, often everyday because I'm dedicated to the program. They really give you what you put in. The horses aren't spectacular show horses; we have about three or four "show ready" horses per seat - but the rest are a variety of school horse type to gerenally green broke. That way you are able to work with anything and everything. It is definently NOT a "riding" school - they push education and academics and they have a high job-placement rating in the equine industry.
For example, I minor in photography (I take class at Missouri State who "shares" classes with Stephens which is VERY nice) and have always been pressured to become a equine photographer. Well, my instructor and advisor got me an internship with Jeff Kirkbride for the summer; a nationally known photographer who does shows such as QH congress and world and other of that such. I found out that photography ISN'T what I want to pursue, but the experience was great and I really was able to network in the QH industry.
So yeah - if you're really wanting to do it, I'd check out Stephens. It's located in Columbia, MO.
 

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Yes, this subject has been rehashed enough to be turned in to a sticky!!

I'm going to echo the sentiments of most of the people on here. How many big time trainers have graduated from MM? None. They got to where they were by hard work, the right connections, etc etc. Not a degree. I don't think it's a terrible idea to go to college and study animal science or equine studies or what have you, but to go to such a narrowly focused school like MM is very impractical. Especially in the world of horse training. if you really want to be a horse trainer you need to work under some great trainers (working student is a fantastic idea), you ought to show to get your name out there, get as much experience in the horse world as you can from the ground up. It would be MUCH better for you to major in business and spend your summers working for a trainer who can eventually help you find a job after you graduate.

I am going to disagree that while there isn't much money to be made in the horse world it can be done. it's NOT because there are horses worth hundreds of thousands of dollars (believe me, it took hundreds of thousands of dollars to make that horse worth that much). I have about 30 students I teach once or twice a week that pay off most of my bills. I have about 6-8 horses in training a month that supplement my income. Taking kids to shows and showing horses pays a bit more. Occasionally I'll make a commission off buying/selling a horse. I make a decent paycheck. How did I get here? Sure as heck wasn't by getting a degree from MM....
 
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