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I didn't read through all the replies, so sorry if I'm repeating what's already been said, but he looks a lot like a sooty chestnut to me. Sooty darkens colors (which would explain the dark mane and tail), and it tends to put gray or silver in the mane and tail (which I see a hint of in the bottom of his tail).

I sincerely doubt he's bay or black of any sort because his mane, tail, and knees are too brown.

He's definitely not palomino. Even with the darkening from the sooty gene, a palomino could never be that dark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sooty_(gene)




Also, I don't know if you know this, but he's definitely a sabino. White on the lower lip, blue eyes, large face markings, and jagged leg markings are all characteristics of sabino. The white on the lower lip is a dead giveaway.
 

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Sooty palominos can be (as shown earlier in the thread with examples) that dark. There are two examples that I posted, a link to a website, though the picture is shown on page four, and another sooty palomino that looks liver chestnut, also on page four.
 

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Testing would be the only I would believe this horse is palomino. And it's the only reason I believe the other horse is. I'm going to say it's rare for one to turn dark like that. And w/ the OP's horse coming from an unknown background we don't even know if it's possible. Yes someone said he was, but based on what the OP has said about them it doesn't really seem like they know what they are talking about. The fact they called him a 'purebred' palomino was the first sign to me, that could easily mean he was out of two palominos (which someone might assume would make a horse 'purebred' palomino, in which case I once owned one and she was sorrel!), which would also make it possible for him to be a chestnut (25% chance).

If I had bought this horse w/ the history they have I would call him liver chestnut. If I was just crazy currious I 'might' would have him color tested, but only if there was something that made me think he was different then he appears (the only thing I can think that would do that is his ped not backing up his color (for example if one of his parents was cremello), or photos or someone knowing he appeared palomino as a youngster), and some random girl telling me he's palomino wouldn't be it, I've heard plenty of silly things from people.

There are only two horses on here (other then the OP's horse) that I would never guess were palomino (and the mare definately looked it atleast up til 2), I would hate owning them and having to explain thier colors! It can be hard enough explaining their colors when they actually look like them! And that light palomino looks like a palomino to me (side note, but I say one on Craigslist not long ago that was almost the same shade, the ad said "golden palomino").
 

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Correct, we don't know the horse's background, but that is why you can't assume either way! I am not saying this horse IS palomino, I am saying it is possible, and I see the hints of it in the gold highlights. Especially the one on the horse's leg. As I have said before, the only way to be sure is to test the horse. And no matter how ill-informed the person who said he was purebred palomino may be, that does put the option on the table because we don't know what that person was basing that on. She could have information that the OP doesn't. I personally would get the horse colour tested, but that's just me.
 

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Correct, we don't know the horse's background, but that is why you can't assume either way! I am not saying this horse IS palomino, I am saying it is possible, and I see the hints of it in the gold highlights. Especially the one on the horse's leg. As I have said before, the only way to be sure is to test the horse. And no matter how ill-informed the person who said he was purebred palomino may be, that does put the option on the table because we don't know what that person was basing that on. She could have information that the OP doesn't. I personally would get the horse colour tested, but that's just me.
I took purebred palomino to be that both horses were registered with the Palomino Horse Association.
 

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I took purebred palomino to be that both horses were registered with the Palomino Horse Association.
I was thinking that same thing. Just because we're all aware that palomino isn't a breed, doesn't mean a large percentage of the population doesn't. I've heard all kinds of crazy things come out of peoples mouiths - if both parents were registered with the PHA, it is entirely logical for someone to say he was "purebred palomino" if they lacked a full understanding of how it works.
 

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I thought that as well, but thought that people just didn't think it mattered that there is a Palomino Horse Association, even if it isn't a breed, so I didn't bring it up.
 

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There is a palomino breed association (I think there are two), and I considered that may have been what was ment, but again they don't breed true and if that is the case 25% chance of chestnut! Like I said if I was the crazy currious, I'd color test! But he's a gelding that appears to be liver chestnut, kind of seems like a waste of money in this case. I'm not saying they shouldn't test, in fact that is the only way we'll really know, and I hope they share the results if they do! Just if it was me I wouldn't bother, and until then I will assume he's a liver chestnut since that is what he appears to be and there isn't anything that makes me assume he's anything else. I've seen horses posted w/ colors that really leave me scratching my head, this just isn't one of them. And again I'm not saying it's impossible, just unlikely. W/ more info I may change my mind, but not w/ what I've read so far.
 

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I think they recognize brown as a color now... I would definitely say sealy brown

http://www.carriagesales.com/Images/1685-1.jpg
I would disagree with that. They HAVE found brown as a gene, but it's just another form of agouti - so it basically seems to create that dark bay color all over instead of keeping black points.

Her boy is clearly red based - regardless of shades, bays will always produce a mahogany tinge whereas chestnuts will remain "reddish". His uniform reddish hue and golden highlights indicate to me he's definately not black based.

Here's a perfect example:

Top Line Quarter Horses

At first glance, almost everyone would assume she's a bay, but she's actually a liver chestnut with a dark mane. The second photo gives away her true color with that shimmery red tinge and non black legs.

Browns are almost exclusively a very dark bay, so dark that the black legs seem to disappear, hence the years of confusion between brown and dark bay. They will always have a very flat black or mahogany tinge.

Example:



His tinge is very blatantly black chocolate colored with tinges of mahogany on his points.


 

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MacabreMikolaj,

I see the red that you are talking about, and seal brown horses seem to have darker legs, but I'm confused too...

I was wondering if his socks could possibly make his legs look lighter (obviously they can make them white, but make the dark points not show at all?) and can a liver chestnut have tan on its soft spots? In the second picture and last picture he looks like he has tan on his flanks and other places.

I'm not trying to second guess you, you sound like a pro! Just trying to learn :D
 
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