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There is no reason not to breed a buckskin to a cremello unless you don't want to take the chance of the match producing another double dilute. (some people will breed to a double dilute to get palomino or buckskin, but they DON'T want a double dilute foal themselves.) But if you LIKE double dilutes, or wouldn't mind getting one, and the horses are a good match otherwise, then there is no reason not to consider the match.
 

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You'd most likely get perlino, cremello, buckskin, palomino, or possibly smokey black. Can't see any reason not to breed the two together if they are a good match.

I was once looking at a lady's buckskin stallion (who should have been a gelding) and she told me you can't breed palomino to palomino because you'd get a lethal white, I'd already desided she was a flake, I just nodded and moved on.
 

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I was once looking at a lady's buckskin stallion (who should have been a gelding) and she told me you can't breed palomino to palomino because you'd get a lethal white, I'd already desided she was a flake, I just nodded and moved on.
I know several older horse owner/breeder who thought this back before the actual genetics where known.

Also up until a few years ago AQHA would not register a double dilute so you would not want to breed 2 dilutes and take that chance.
 

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I do understand the reasoning (at the time) for not wanting a double dilute, but a double dilute is not a lethal white. (and at the time the foal could have been registered APHA, maybe not ideal, but still). I'm not sure if she realized she'd have the same risk breeding her buckskin to a palomino or another buckskin to, if she did she didn't mention it. I do think a stallion owner should have a basic understanding of genetics where it pertains to their stallion, 'I' think she should have known the difference between a cremello/perlino and a lethal white if she's going to stand a horse w/ a cream dilute gene. A dead foal is a lot different then a foal w/ a less desirable color.
 

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Take from a breeder the roomer is that if u breed any color to a cremola u will get the color of the horse ur breeding it to so thats a good thing.But my question is i had a mare foal the other day she is reddun and her daddy is dun with the black mane and tail and points. why is it that that i got a black? Dose anyone no what color this baby will shed out Im confused.
 

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Take from a breeder the roomer is that if u breed any color to a cremola u will get the color of the horse ur breeding it to so thats a good thing.But my question is i had a mare foal the other day she is reddun and her daddy is dun with the black mane and tail and points. why is it that that i got a black? Dose anyone no what color this baby will shed out Im confused.
That's super rare that you even got a black from those two! Wow. Either way, the sires black genes overtook the red and the cream. Huh. You're more likely to get a gulla then a black from that pairing! Just shows how tricky genetics can be!


 

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The sire was probably a Perleno not a cremello. Which means he is black based with 2 cream genes.

Your red dun mare is Red based with the dun gene.

Black is dominant to red so red will hide behind black.

So the foal can most certainly be a Dun. Basically the foal is Ee A? Dndn

Also breeding to a cremello dose not mean you will get the color of the other horse. It simply means that EVERY foal by/out of the Cremello will have at least one dilute.
 

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Take from a breeder the roomer is that if u breed any color to a cremola u will get the color of the horse ur breeding it to so thats a good thing.
That "roomer" is wrong.


There is no reason not to breed a buckskin to a cremello unless you don't want to take the chance of the match producing another double dilute. (some people will breed to a double dilute to get palomino or buckskin, but they DON'T want a double dilute foal themselves.) But if you LIKE double dilutes, or wouldn't mind getting one, and the horses are a good match otherwise, then there is no reason not to consider the match.


Double dilutes suffer from sun sensitivity and an increased risk of skin cancer and vision loss. THAT'S why (sensible) people want to avoid breeding them.
 

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Double dilutes suffer from sun sensitivity and an increased risk of skin cancer and vision loss. THAT'S why (sensible) people want to avoid breeding them.
No more then grays or paints with a lot of white.

As to the sight loss. That is anouther one of those rummers. There are certain lines and certain breeds that are more prone to blindness but has nothing to do with color.
 

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>>>> Double dilutes suffer from sun sensitivity and an increased risk of skin cancer and vision loss. THAT'S why (sensible) people want to avoid breeding them.

?? Re-read my post. I SAID that some people don't want double dilutes.

Some people like them.

As NRHAreiner said, many colors/patterns have the similar/same sun sensitivity/cancer risks, and the eyesight claim? Not true. Blue eyes in horses aren't more prone to vision loss. Eyes with light skin around them are more prone to cancer of the eye structures due to sun exposure-- as can be applied to some paint patterns, some appaloosas with extensive mottled skin, any bald faced horse w/o eyeliner-- and cremellos/perlinos actually have SOME pigment in their skin as it is not truly pink skin, but light skin, so they are better off than an extensively pink-skinned horse.

ALL of the above can wear fly masks/sun shade masks, and if needed, sheets when outside, so risks are minimized.

(say the "sensible" mom of 2 blue eyed blonde kids which I don't consider inferior due to their genetic potential to sunburn, LOLOLOL-- but I DO have a good supply of sunscreen and hats....)
 
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