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Confusing papers, is she a paint? -pics-

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I am so confused as to what breed my horse is. I just got her Friday. Her papers say her color but not her breed. Color says sorrel, pattern type solid. Same thing for her parents, grandparents, and great grandparents. Just colors and registered names and numbers. Previous owner stated she is a Paint.

Now I'm new to all of this, and I thought paints were spotted horses?! She is not spotted at all.

Here is her ad posted from when she was for sale:
ANNA Beginner Special.....Racking mare, l2 yrs., l4.3H, stocky l,000 pds. I sold this lovely mare four years ago for family first horse. All members have learned to ride on Anna and moved up to a more spirited horse. She has delightful smooth natural gait that needs no help from the rider, neckreins, great on trails and flawless ground manners. If you are a beginner, timid rider OR a seasoned rider just wanting a quiet, dependable trail horse, you will love Anna. Flashy chestnut with light flaxen mane and tail, stockings, blaze. Beautiful head. $l,250 ~ Sold ~

I board her at the place I bought her from and the lady then mentioned she was a western pleasure horse. This is not a breed, correct? And neither is "racking mare"?

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And now I just noticed on some of her vet papers from vaccines etc, it says "Breed- Quarter Horse" Could this be any more confusing? Thank you for replying, perhaps she is just a solid paint!
 
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What "papers" are you talking about? If she's registered with an association/registry, there should be something on there that says what they are. APHA, AQHA, Pinto etc.

By chance, can you scan the papers and post pictures so we can see what your talking about?
 
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#6 ·
Paint horses are a mixture of Quarter Horses and Thoroughbreds so its easy to get ones that look more QHish or TBish.
As for the mare above, she is probably a solid Paint. She certainly looks like one, judging my her facial and leg markings.
 
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#10 ·
Those are APHA looking papers, esp the pic, as thats were the APHA puts the pic of the horse. And it says breeding stock, she's a solid paint. Those paper are missing things though......odd.
 
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#11 ·
FJF in front her name is part of her name, more than likely Ranch name initials. My horse is RDR Independence Day which RDR stands for Rocking D Ranch.
 
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She's a breeding stock paint, which means she doesn't have the "splashy" white markings, but she carries the genes that create them. APHA horses must be of stock type breeding (i.e. QH type). If she were any other type (TWH, MFT, etc) she couldn't be registered w/ APHA. As for the "FJF" it's part of her name, her breeders probably wanted someone's / someplaces initials in her name.
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I am so excited to finally have figured this out! Breeding stock paint. Which means she looks more like her QH background, not spotted. I am learning so much. It's overwhelming at first, when you just get started, theres so much info, so much I don't know.
 
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Now you need to transfer her registration into your name. The seller has signed the transfer papers?
 
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I have the equine bill of sale with my name on it. Is that the right thing? What would be the next step? Thanks for clearing up the FJF thing. Would I be able to change her name or is that forever? I still want her name to be Anna but the rest is kinda... eh. Also, the western pleasure and the racking mare thing (not on the papers) are just skills she has?
 
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Those papers she is registered with APHA as a breeding stock paint. APHA has now changed the term Breeding Stock to Solid paint bred{SPB}. Looking at that mare though she has enough qualifying white on legs for regular registry as a sorrel Overo.:D
 
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Her sire is sorrel overo! And both paternal grandparents! But that would be considered her color right? That is still a paint. As it is right now she is sorrel solid paint?
 
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The whole "racking mare" thing and "natural gait" confuse me. Paints do not naturally gait, and racking is most definitely a natural gait. Paints, to be registered as APHA (at least to my understanding), can only have paint, QH or TB in their ancestry. None of those breeds are naturally gaited.

Have you ridden her yet? Have you seen her rack or do any gait other than the standard walk/trot/canter/gallop?
 
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I was wondering about that too but then I know a LOT of people who mistake and extended trot for racking so I think that perhaps the seller may have been mistaken on this description.
 
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I have ridden her over the weekend, from what I have learned so far, its a regular gait. Its very smooth and not bouncy in trot, kind of rocky sway. But not gaited like I have seen where they pick up their feet really high in front. I haven't learned what racking is, I'm about to research that. She does not hold her head high either she keeps it low.
 
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Sure you can change her name, costs a bunch of money & American Paint Horse Association has to approve it (APHA). You need signed transfer papers (signed by owners listed on those papers) for APHA with that mares name on it, not a bill of sale. I think a name change is $250, that was ages ago though. Costs about $75 to transfer into your name & you get a year membership into the APHA club, cheaper than paying non member fee and transferring.
 
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Sure you can change her name, costs a bunch of money & American Paint Horse Association has to approve it (APHA). You need signed transfer papers (signed by owners listed on those papers) for APHA with that mares name on it, not a bill of sale. I think a name change is $250, that was ages ago though. Costs about $75 to transfer into your name & you get a year membership into the APHA club, cheaper than paying non member fee and transferring.
AND keep in mind, if she's ever been bred and the foal was registered, you can no longer change her registered name. I ran into that with my APHA mare, whose registered name I did not like, "Coosa's Playgirl". I wanted to change it to "Hoofprints in the Sand", since the people who rescued her named her "Sandie" and I thought that was cute and wanted a name that would go with "Sand" or "Sandy". But when I called APHA to change it, I was informed that she had already had 2 foals, and 1 had already been registered with her name as the dam. So no dice! I still show her on the local circuit as "Hoofprints in the Sand" though, I consider Coosa's Playgirl her slave name :wink:
 
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Right now the white on her right hind leg, if it extends 2 inches above the knee, you could petition to have her registered as an overo, and not a SPB. According to the new rules and guidelines, she is technically not solid. But you would have to ask APHA if you can change it. I have no idea, or if it even matters to you.
 
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Aha! I don't know if it matters to me either! I don't even know what I'm doing. Ack. I think both hind legs have white above the knee, at least in front. And hmm, I shall have to figure out how to contact the original breeder, I think he lives out of state. This is complicated stuff!
 
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Look on the back of the papers. It will have a space for the previous owner to have signed, allowing transfer of the papers into your name. When you go to APHA, you'll have to buy a yearly-lifetime membership (based on your preference) and then pay for a transfer. I don't know about APHA, but AQHA DOES allow name changes as long as the horse has never been evented in its current name.

She's lovely. I love a solid paint (or not so solid if she can be changed) haha. You can go to the APHA website and they should have printable files to request a change of ownership and any corrections you want. It will tell you how much and what to send in with the papers.

Hope that helps. =)
 
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Also, those are some nice names on her papers. I'm curious about the "Aggies" one. I wonder if that was one of the Texas A&M horses. Hmmm. And always like to see the Sugar Bars and Leos!
 
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