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So I've moved from the barn with the very stupid owner to hopefully a better place. Because of this barn owner my horse now cribbs! It really sucks since hes so young, she had my horse in a small paddock with to many horses so there was no grass and he wasn't getting enough food(was supposed to get 3 flakes in the morning and 3 at night with 3 scoops of compleate feed) but the other horses would push him away so he'd get almost none so he had not enough food in a small stressful environment and right across from him was a cribber. I asked her so maney times to move him to the 7 acre paddock where there where only 4 horses or somewhere where he wouldnt get pushed off his feed but she wanted to keep mares with mares and geldings with geldings, so by the time I found a barn that would take me my boy started cribbing! no now that my rant is over just wondering the things I can do to hopefully lessen his want to crib

Hes now on 160 acres with a herd of horses that he gets along and is actually getting a little overwight(from being to skinny) he gets excersized regularly, I have tried cribbing collars but found he cribbed more with them on and am scared to leave them on where he could get it caught on somthing. But is there certian suppliments and feeds that could help? also I've read ulcers can contribute to the problem, so I'm wondering what can be done to help since I've read theres really no cure.

Oh last question what exactly is colic surgury? I've read it only has a 50% chance of working but what exactly do they do?
 

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So I've moved from the barn with the very stupid owner to hopefully a better place. Because of this barn owner my horse now cribbs! It really sucks since hes so young, she had my horse in a small paddock with to many horses so there was no grass and he wasn't getting enough food(was supposed to get 3 flakes in the morning and 3 at night with 3 scoops of compleate feed) but the other horses would push him away so he'd get almost none so he had not enough food in a small stressful environment and right across from him was a cribber. I asked her so maney times to move him to the 7 acre paddock where there where only 4 horses or somewhere where he wouldnt get pushed off his feed but she wanted to keep mares with mares and geldings with geldings, so by the time I found a barn that would take me my boy started cribbing! no now that my rant is over just wondering the things I can do to hopefully lessen his want to crib

Hes now on 160 acres with a herd of horses that he gets along and is actually getting a little overwight(from being to skinny) he gets excersized regularly, I have tried cribbing collars but found he cribbed more with them on and am scared to leave them on where he could get it caught on somthing. But is there certian suppliments and feeds that could help? also I've read ulcers can contribute to the problem, so I'm wondering what can be done to help since I've read theres really no cure.

Oh last question what exactly is colic surgury? I've read it only has a 50% chance of working but what exactly do they do?

There is bitterlicks you put it on stall doors to keep them from biting any surface. This would probably be only helpful in the stall though.

BitterLick's! Anti-Horse Cribbing Solution #1 Rated Used by the World's Best Barns

This may also help for your question about colic surgery.
Colic Surgery Guide - HorseChannel.com
 

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There is bitterlicks you put it on stall doors to keep them from biting any surface. This would probably be only helpful in the stall though.

BitterLick's! Anti-Horse Cribbing Solution #1 Rated Used by the World's Best Barns

This may also help for your question about colic surgery.
Colic Surgery Guide - HorseChannel.com
Hey thatnks for the article yeah I think I would need way to much of that stuff for fencing of 160 acres as he is never ever inside except for taking up.
 

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OOPPS ahah I accidentally put colic surgery when I meant cribbing surgery...hmm my brain works in strange ways! but reading about colic surgery was interesting to :p
 

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OOPPS ahah I accidentally put colic surgery when I meant cribbing surgery...hmm my brain works in strange ways! but reading about colic surgery was interesting to :p
Haha! I thought that was a pretty random question. I have actually never heard of cribbing surgery.
 

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Most cribbers start when they are in the 8 month age- its many times stress from weaning and going onto sweet feed.

Try switching him to just plain oats. It may very well help.

Some research shows that antacids help. Seems that for some reason cribbers produce less saliva than non-cribbers, and this can cause ulcers. They crib to relieve stomach pain, so if you relieve the stomach pain it will supposedly lessen.

Getting him out on pasture is going to be a big thing that will help.
 

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By the way, I just did some research and cribbing surgery cuts the neck muscles of horses it stops horses from being able to flex their muscles and if that doesn't work there is another surgery that cuts the muscles even more so they won't be able to lift their neck up and pull back. I wouldn't get it done.
 

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By the way, I just did some research and cribbing surgery cuts the neck muscles of horses it stops horses from being able to flex their muscles and if that doesn't work there is another surgery that cuts the muscles even more so they won't be able to lift their neck up and pull back. I wouldn't get it done.
The surgery does sound a little harsh but I've been finding more articles about it and I'm actually leaning towards it, maybe not right now I'll try everything else out there(well except shock collars or those rings put in there mouth) but if nothing else works I think I may try the surgery. My boy is doing okay but he chipped one of his teeth from cribbing(took about a cm off) and I don't want that to happen again or have his teeth wear down so much. I've found some people who've actually had it done so I'll be bombarding them with questions!

Man this is stressful...maybe I'll start cribbing to
 

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Why does the cribbing bother you so much? I have a cribber, and honestly, I may have fixed all of the things that initially made him crib, but it becomes a mental addiction just as much as a physical one, and thats not going to go away. But since your guy is young, you may be able to stop the habit with proper care.

I would recommend first getting him on a supplement the both protects against NEW ulcers and heals the old ones. Also look at how much hay he's getting. Is he getting enough? If he's out to pasture 24/7 and still working, you should have some sort of round bale for him to munch off of, or bring him into a stall and give him additional hay. Also make sure he has access to a free choice salt block.

Also, you say he's still cribbing with the cribbing collar, but is he actually cribbing, or just making the motions? You'll know he's actually cribbing if he grunts and sucks air. Otherwise, he's just making the motion and it is not actually hurting him.

Consider putting up hotwire on your fence tops if he's cribbing while out in a pasture.

I would not recommend surgery....that's pretty much something someone just came up with to make money. While it doesn't actually hurt the horse, his performance ability would not be affected, why would you want to sever his muscles? That just doesn't make sense to me at all.

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Why does the cribbing bother you so much? I have a cribber, and honestly, I may have fixed all of the things that initially made him crib, but it becomes a mental addiction just as much as a physical one, and thats not going to go away. But since your guy is young, you may be able to stop the habit with proper care.

I would recommend first getting him on a supplement the both protects against NEW ulcers and heals the old ones. Also look at how much hay he's getting. Is he getting enough? If he's out to pasture 24/7 and still working, you should have some sort of round bale for him to munch off of, or bring him into a stall and give him additional hay. Also make sure he has access to a free choice salt block.

Also, you say he's still cribbing with the cribbing collar, but is he actually cribbing, or just making the motions? You'll know he's actually cribbing if he grunts and sucks air. Otherwise, he's just making the motion and it is not actually hurting him.

Consider putting up hotwire on your fence tops if he's cribbing while out in a pasture.

I would not recommend surgery....that's pretty much something someone just came up with to make money. While it doesn't actually hurt the horse, his performance ability would not be affected, why would you want to sever his muscles? That just doesn't make sense to me at all.

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I'd say the actual cribbing isn't what bothers me, so far my horse hasn't had a bad colic yet but he has coliced before and this only started happening after he started cribbing, yes i've tried the miracle collar and the nutcracker collars and he still was sucking air in with the miracle collar, not so much with the nutcracker but you could still hear him grunting a little bit, my problem with the collars where that the other horses would grab onto them, and my horse in on 160 ac now with trees and bushes and i dont want them to get caught on anything even though theyre leather and might snap I dont wanna take that chance he also became quite headshy from them because he hated having them tightened and got quite a few sores even with sheepskin coverings. he has lots of grass available with a new round bale every three days, and gets safe choice as well as hoffmans, and has a free choice salt and mineral lick.

The side of fencing where the gate and arena is, is hotwired but he finds away around it.

Whats really worying me is how much weight he losses in the winter time, and also his teeth he'll be 5 this year and in missing almost half a tooth from chipping it(he prefers metal to wood) and he is already showing wear on his teeth. And then theres the problem of alot of stables wont board cribbing horses, mine does but I have to pay for all the dammage he does which is getting $$.

I definetly wouldnt do the surgury unless all options are gone, and if any thing health wise gets really bad i.e constant colic, wight loss not gained back, and his teeth I would prefer if he could still graze by the time hes 20.

P.S I was looking for U gaurd but couldnt find anyone who sold it thanks for the link ^.^ also are there any other suppliments that could help?
 

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Most cribbers start when they are in the 8 month age- its many times stress from weaning and going onto sweet feed.
Huh?

We have a boarded horse (came when it was still on the mare) that has never had sweet feed. Eats my fences like crazy. The two fillies that were weaned with this foal do not touch the fence.
 

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Cribbing and wood chewing are two very different habits.
 

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Maybe they use different terms where you live.

Cribbing and sucking wind are the same thing around here.

Hence the term cribbing strap - they do not in any way prevent a horse from chewing wood but they (hopefully) prevent them from sucking wind as you call it.
 

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My boy was a cribber. I met him as a 7yr old (both of us), got him as a 16yr old, & lost him as a 23yr old. He cribbed throughout that entire time, to the dismay of the barn owner. I never in a million years would have considered surgery for him, but we tried just about every other cure out there, & nothing worked. It's been explained to me by several different sources that the wind sucking is actually a horsey equivalent to getting "high". I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I know that it is most certainly an addiction, & can be near impossible to break. He cribbed just as badly with or without his collar, so as much as I disliked it, I learned to just live with it.

As far as teeth go, unfortunately, my boy had a tooth that was completely broken in half, probably from the cribbing. That made meal times quite messy when there was grain involved!
 

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Why so worked up about cribbing? I have a cribber and to me, it's just annoying. There's nothing you can do to stop it, and trust me, I've tried EVERYTHING short of surgery. Certain horses are genetically hard-wired to crib, and they don't pick it up from watching other horses or whatnot. If they don't have the predisposition to do it, they won't, and if they do, they will always have that habbit.

My horse has destroyed three corner feeders so we had to get him a grain dish for the ground. He also broke his water bucket. :-x But when I was in his stall with him I used to pop him under the tummy with the heel of my palm every time he cribbed (just hard enough to make it uncomfortable) and now he won't crib when I'm watching him. But that's as good as it's ever going to get. lol
 

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My mare chewed apart the entire fence (which cost me a pretty penny to replace when I moved her) at the last barn I was at. At our new barn her chewing stopped when she got turned out with my gelding. They torment each other, but she has too much fun playing with him to chew the fence anymore.

Could you put him in with some buddies if he's alone? Put yuckies on the fence? Cribbing collar? Or worst comes to worst muzzle the horse. It looks mean but it provides a barrier between the fence and their mouth.
 

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Oh, I should also add that my TB has chipped one of his front teeth--at that point he got smart about it and stopped cribbing on metal with his teeth, and started using his chin. He still uses his teeth on wood though--he's also learned to ONLY crib on fence posts instead of boards. I think hes just an evil genius.
 

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nope hes not alone hes got about 15 other horses with him mares and geldings. I'm hesitant about a muzzle because there are way to many things it could it caught on(including other horses grabbing it)
 
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