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Okay I want HARD, HARSH critiques!!! They are not my horses, but I would like to use either one or the other next year. I would be using Mardi Gras, but he is on the other side of country, & I cannot afford to ship semen & use AI, and risk my mare not catching.

I would be driving my mare out to one of these stallions, and YES I have plans for a foal. I know exactly what I want, and I think breeding is the best option. My mare is a "ranch horse", very versatile in her under-saddle work, she will be shown in the local hunter ring this summer, works well with children, has very few issues (all that I post are training errors, nothing psychological, except claustrophobia), etc.

I want a foal this will not only excel in the hunter ring, but can work the livestock around my farm (such as my mare does). I want a quiet horse that I KNOW. I do not know my horses completely, especially in their past experiences.. I only know small fragments of virtually useless information. I feel that their past is a barrier for their future - & I do not want another horse like that. The foal would be hand raised, with people around with no intentions of harm.

This year I have to work of some community service - I found a way to work at my lesson barn, where they breed hunter ponies. Part of their breeding concerns Welsh/TB, so I can learn from that.

I also would like to learn dressage and how to show in halter shows, with a half WPCSA registered foal (for the halter shows) I can do this.

Anyways, here are the two stallions I have narrowed my searches to;
#1.) Evan's Marcus

  • 12.2hh
  • WPCSA reg., AWR reg., & ASPR reg.
  • Dessage, Hunter, & Halter.
  • In Garfeild, Kentucky [10 hours away from me]


#2.) Rosmel's Scarlet Legacy

  • 13.2
  • WPCSA reg. -(B-43965)
  • Halter, Hunter. Hunter under-saddle, English Pleasure, & Dressage (prospect)
  • In Fletcher, North Carolina [7 hours away]


Rosmel's Scarlet Legacy, Section B Welsh Pony Stallion

I need serious opinions all in all, and I would prefer live cover. Any useful information I did not catch PLEASE tell me ASAP!
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what mare do you plan on breeding and do you have conformation pics of her?
 

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Your post doesn't make the most sense. you could live cover and not take so you have spent more money in gas than AI and shipping semen. Mare care pr day dropping her off and picking her up is 2 round trips. Any way they are obviously both nice horses and I find it offensive to ask people to critic the heck out of 2 nice horses taht do not belong to you. Now let us critic your mare and I would not be offended by this
 

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Nope I have no conformation pictures, & I don't want a bashing. I have my mind made up & you may call me ignorant, stupid, or whatever, I don't care at this point. This way my foal/breeding plan (IN ABOVE POST!)
I would be driving my mare out to one of these stallions, and YES I have plans for a foal. I know exactly what I want, and I think breeding is the best option. My mare is a "ranch horse", very versatile in her under-saddle work, she will be shown in the local hunter ring this summer, works well with children, has very few issues (all that I post are training errors, nothing psychological, except claustrophobia), etc.

I want a foal this will not only excel in the hunter ring, but can work the livestock around my farm (such as my mare does). I want a quiet horse that I KNOW. I do not know my horses completely, especially in their past experiences.. I only know small fragments of virtually useless information. I feel that their past is a barrier for their future - & I do not want another horse like that. The foal would be hand raised, with people around with no intentions of harm.

This year I have to work of some community service - I found a way to work at my lesson barn, where they breed hunter ponies. Part of their breeding concerns Welsh/TB, so I can learn from that.

I also would like to learn dressage and how to show in halter shows, with a half WPCSA registered foal (for the halter shows) I can do this.
 

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Your post doesn't make the most sense. you could live cover and not take so you have spent more money in gas than AI and shipping semen. Mare care pr day dropping her off and picking her up is 2 round trips. Any way they are obviously both nice horses and I find it offensive to ask people to critic the heck out of 2 nice horses taht do not belong to you. Now let us critic your mare and I would not be offended by this
How is it offensive? I did not say either horse was bad, or worse than the other. I just asked opinions on which horses was better suited for my foal expectations. & frankly it doesn't matter if you are "offended" or not. I'm not trying to be rude at all but it doesn't have much relevance.
 

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Why in the world are you bashing her? I will be first in line to say I bash irresponsible breeders, but this is unnecessary and foolish.

She can afford it, she just doesn't want to pay for it and have her mare not catch. Then she'd have to pay for it TWICE. Live cover is better when it comes to semen count and having a better chance of catching. Don't see how this is something to sneer at. No matter how much money I had I wouldn't want to pay for something twice.

Now I can't tell movement obviously, but I like the first pony better--he has a shorter back and a slightly nicer rump (they're both nice.) His hind end is angled well, his shoulder is nice nice nice, and he has a great neck too (though both show muscling of a rollkured horse... interesting!). I like both, but the first one is just a little better in my opinion.
 

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They are both very nice stallys but we have to find the right one for YOUR mare not which one is the best.
 

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I like the first one a lot hes very nice looking all of them are nice. But what breed is your mare?
 

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http://www.horseforum.com/horses.php?horse=1940

I am guessing this is your mare? Or is it a different one? Correct me please if I am wrong.
I would like to see some pictures of her because these two horses may not be suited for what you need for breeding your mare.
 

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I cant blame you for wanting one of those two, they are both lovely. I like the first one the most, I just like his head and neck, plus he has a nice colour. I agree that confo pics of your mare would help, but if not, then I'd pick the first guy :)
 

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The mare is half the equation when breeding, lots vouch for more. Hence it is impossible to advise you on which stallion when we don't know if your mare has any conformational weaknesses that could be countered by the right stallion.

In general, I like the first better - better neck set. However, depending on your mare, the other may be more suitable.
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Why in the world are you bashing her? I will be first in line to say I bash irresponsible breeders, but this is unnecessary and foolish.

She can afford it, she just doesn't want to pay for it and have her mare not catch. Then she'd have to pay for it TWICE. Live cover is better when it comes to semen count and having a better chance of catching. Don't see how this is something to sneer at. No matter how much money I had I wouldn't want to pay for something twice.

Now I can't tell movement obviously, but I like the first pony better--he has a shorter back and a slightly nicer rump (they're both nice.) His hind end is angled well, his shoulder is nice nice nice, and he has a great neck too (though both show muscling of a rollkured horse... interesting!). I like both, but the first one is just a little better in my opinion.
Thank you so much!! Yes, you hit it right on the nose.. I don't want to pay for something twice. I was thinking the first pony also, thanks for your major input.

http://www.horseforum.com/horses.php?horse=1940

I am guessing this is your mare? Or is it a different one? Correct me please if I am wrong.
I would like to see some pictures of her because these two horses may not be suited for what you need for breeding your mare.
Yes this is my mare, not the best pictures. I have a thread with loads of pictures of her.. Let me pull some.


The mare is half the equation when breeding, lots vouch for more. Hence it is impossible to advise you on which stallion when we don't know if your mare has any conformational weaknesses that could be countered by the right stallion.

In general, I like the first better - better neck set. However, depending on your mare, the other may be more suitable.
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Yes, I know, I will pull some pictures.

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I just don't want the "no breeding bandwagon" to come along. I have tried repeatedly to buy a decent registered mare, but we just do not have room for another horse PLUS a foal. I will be working closely under a breeder in the next few weeks, and I will ask her opinion of the whole thing.. She breeds hunter ponies.
 

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I am just asking a simple, general question because it's not quite clear to me.

What is your specific reason for breeding? I see that you would like a pony that excels in hunters and also can work the farm. You thought about buying a registered mare to breed, but don't have room for another horse AND foal. Why not just buy a hunter pony? Why is breeding so important that you'd consider buying a mare instead of just buying the hunter?

I'm not saying anything in regards to your decision, i'm just not sure I completely understand your reasoning.

I'm terrible at critique but i do like the first boy better.
 

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I am just asking a simple, general question because it's not quite clear to me.

What is your specific reason for breeding? I see that you would like a pony that excels in hunters and also can work the farm. You thought about buying a registered mare to breed, but don't have room for another horse AND foal. Why not just buy a hunter pony? Why is breeding so important that you'd consider buying a mare instead of just buying the hunter?

I'm not saying anything in regards to your decision, i'm just not sure I completely understand your reasoning.

I'm terrible at critique but i do like the first boy better.
Wow, this thread is making me sound awful.

Clarification:
Alright, I understand buying a hunter would be easier, or an unbroke horse would make more sense then breeding. Yes, I am willing to buy a horse/foal for these purposes (i.e. overpopulation, over-filling rescues, etc.).. But I just wanted a critique to see what I was really getting into. I would like to aspire to breed National show horses (leaning towards Welsh or Quarter Horses) - I can't see myself an any other position than doing something in the equine world.. And breeding is just the way I would like to go.

If at 14, I can successfully breed an "undesirable" mare, raise, brake, and train a foal that will be known in the hunter community.. That would be a big step in my career direction. Basically I just want to "try" and toy with the breeding/training/showing world to make sure it's what I want to do..

I know some of you are thinking "breeding is not a game, you cannot bring a life into this world and just have it take up space! You don't know what you are doing, so just stay out of it." -- I don't want that kind of response.

At this point I don't know what else to say without making me sound childish & immature.. :oops:
 

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You have every reason to do what you feel. My mare Babee is a 15.2 hand Appendix. an I am breeding her because I want a foal that I can train and use for fure shows eventing, hunters or what ever.

You make that choice it sounds like you want to be a trainer/breeder typ so I say if you really want to do this then why not?
It makes sense to me
 

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i liek the first one alot better,the second one shows a little more muscling of a rollkured horse,the second one is lovely but i dont no your mare and i dont no wich one seems better :)
 

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I honestly like the first one better. They're both nice looking studs though so I say go with what you want your foal to hopefully be.
 
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