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Dakota’s training thread

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May 15, 2023
I’m making this thread because I’m discouraged…there I said it, I’m not one to be defeated and give up but I am sorely disappointed in the past couple sessions with Dakota. With that being said, I have decided to make this thread to track her and my progress working with one another so I can look back and see the transitions we’ve made and be encouraged. Here we go…

Dakota came to me a few months ago and I have done some base level training with her and put a few rides on her. After her bucking like crazy the last two rides (once bareback, once with a saddle, I didn’t fall off either time) and before ppl ask, she is healthy in every way and nothing is hurting her. I’ve decided to go back to square one and build a better relationship with her and working on ground work before riding her again.

Today we started lunging, she had never lunged before and tried to bite my face a couple times, invaded my space very often, but I got her to walk/trot about a half circle a couple times. Overall I believe she did well and we ended on a good note which is very important to me.
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For those curious folks out there, here’s some screenshots of me getting bucked both bareback and with a saddle🤦‍♀️
If there’s one thing I can do, it’s hold on.
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Today we started lunging, she had never lunged before and tried to bite my face a couple times, invaded my space very often,
is this a complete exaggeration or truth?

if she is really trying to bite your face you need to go back even further, I would not of tried to lunge, just worked on personal space and manners.

I do believe that horses do things that aren’t prompted by pain, but at the same time, you need to be sure that there isn’t any pain first.

Good luck, don’t get hurt
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You can see in the pictures posted that something is very wrong, you can see it in how she looks and body language, the first time you posted these pictures I wanted to say something but thought I better keep my mouth shut, but since you posted these pictures again I thought OK I'm going to say something now, lol..
Do you know anything of her background at all? If shes trying to hurt you then I think its time you find out more about her before she really hurts you, I would have someone that knows horses that will give you some pointers and not let her get away with the things that shes doing, but with her age shes pretty set in her ways I think unless shes just getting her way all the time.. Be careful and since you said she wants to bite your face off, well I think she will get a few hits in somewhere when she catches you off guard. I have seem horses like this charge at the handler and the handler getting hurt.
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And something else I wanted to mention but forgot in my last post, Get a Helmet and wear it,if you plan on riding her more, for your safety.
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Agree with others.. go back to basics.. make sure she doesn’t have ulcers etc and saddle fit is good.

please, please wear a helmet!

And if it would help..wear proper riding apparel (boots, etc.. you don’t want to get saddle rubs..)
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@Golden Horse and @My Salty Pony sorry for the confusion, she didn’t literally try to bite me, she’s just very pushy and gets her face in my face a lot

as for most others, I do plan on getting a helmet😁
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and before ppl ask, she is healthy in every way and nothing is hurting her.
And how do you know that?

Have you gotten her feet taken care of yet?

Also, from your other pictures, it really doesn't look like your saddle fits the best and could be causing her some discomfort.

If she is an aged horse (most likely), there are always bound to be some aches and pains. So if you haven't had the Dakota examine by a thorough lameness vet, then you really can't say with certainly "she is healthy and nothing is hurting her" because you really don't know that. And honestly, I feel like she has a sour look on her face for most pictures. (Instead of a bright and happy ears-forward facial expression)

I am sorely disappointed in the past couple sessions with Dakota

I’ve decided to go back to square one and build a better relationship with her and working on ground work before riding her again.
Are you taking lessons?
Do you have access to a trainer?

It's fine to want to learn things on your own, but you will learn them faster and better under the guidance of an experienced horseman/horsewoman.

Yes, it is likely in Dakota's best interest to re-learn some basic fundamentals.
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And how do you know that?

Have you gotten her feet taken care of yet?

Also, from your other pictures, it really doesn't look like your saddle fits the best and could be causing her some discomfort.

If she is an aged horse (most likely), there are always bound to be some aches and pains. So if you haven't had the Dakota examine by a thorough lameness vet, then you really can't say with certainly "she is healthy and nothing is hurting her" because you really don't know that. And honestly, I feel like she has a sour look on her face for most pictures. (Instead of a bright and happy ears-forward facial expression)



Are you taking lessons?
Do you have access to a trainer?

It's fine to want to learn things on your own, but you will learn them faster and better under the guidance of an experienced horseman/horsewoman.

Yes, it is likely in Dakota's best interest to re-learn some basic fundamentals.
Yes I know that, she’s had vet checks, feet done, teeth checked.
Her saddle fits well enough, not perfectly, but not badly enough to cause her any pain or discomfort.
She’s a pretty grumpy horse by nature simply because I don’t give her what she wants and with her previous owner she was used to getting her way.
Yes about the lessons.
Two trainers are coming to the farm and helping me, and before you say it, yes they have the same training method so no we are not confusing the horse with multiple training methods
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Even a saddle that doesn’t fit perfect causes discomfort, im not trying to be rude or come at you. You could try a shimable western pad or saddle shims to help it fit better..

My saddle for my gelding fit “ok” but not perfect, and it still hurt him.. I make sure it’s 100% perfect before I ever put it on him..

anyway, good luck..
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Even a saddle that doesn’t fit perfect causes discomfort, im not trying to be rude or come at you. You could try a shimable western pad or saddle shims to help it fit better..

My saddle for my gelding fit “ok” but not perfect, and it still hurt him.. I make sure it’s 100% perfect before I ever put it on him..

anyway, good luck..
Thank you
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And just another thing that could and really needs to be looked into since she's bucking under saddle and bare back is that her back could be hurting and the cause of it could be Kissing Spines, this is something only a Vet can catch by X Ray, and Kissing Spines/spine can really make horses grumpy since they are in pain all the time, even lunging is painful. So best to have a Vet check her out and do a good exam on her.

I know you dont want any-body telling you how to train and I'm not, just wanted to point out this mare could be in pain (Kissing Spines)and thats why all the bucking shes doing.
Google Kissing Spines.
Ok now I will keep my mouth shut and fingers away from the keyboard, :geek:
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And just another thing that could and really needs to be looked into since she's bucking under saddle and bare back is that her back could be hurting and the cause of it could be Kissing Spines, this is something only a Vet can catch by X Ray, and Kissing Spines/spine can really make horses grumpy since they are in pain all the time, even lunging is painful. So best to have a Vet check her out and do a good exam on her.

I know you dont want any-body telling you how to train and I'm not, just wanted to point out this mare could be in pain (Kissing Spines)and thats why all the bucking shes doing.
Google Kissing Spines.
Ok now I will keep my mouth shut and fingers away from the keyboard, :geek:
Ok thanks for the advice, I’m def gonna look into it.
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Yes I know that, she’s had vet checks
Can you be more specific?
What did the vet check? General things? (temperature, "looked them over", etc etc)?
Or did the vet actually do a lameness examination? (flexions, xrays, etc)

Her saddle fits well enough, not perfectly, but not badly enough to cause her any pain or discomfort.
Can you post good pictures of your saddle on her back, without a pad, and without cinching it up?
It would be better to examine the saddle fit.

While bucking can be behavioral, it's always a lot easier to rule out pain causes first before you set your mind on training.
Sometimes horses try to tell us that something hurts, in the only way they can.
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@TwoHorse don't give up! I think that going back to square one is a really good idea.
I do think that wearing a helmet might be a good idea.
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@TwoHorse don't give up! I think that going back to square one is a really good idea.
I do think that wearing a helmet might be a good idea.
I’m not one to give up💪
And yes I plan on buying one!
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Will update this thread later today possibly
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I will be doing a fun activity with Dakota today, something she tends to enjoy. We will see how it goes and I bet I’ll get some adorable pictures 😉
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Y’all, I’m just gonna rant here:
Today was, overall, um…for lack of better terms, awful. The past few sessions with Dakota have been just so bad it’s starting to really hurt me emotionally. I’ve been nothing but gentle, slow moving, kind, the only time I ever had to get “aggressive” if you could even call it that was when SHE tried to kick ME, for NO REASON (no, I was not in her blind spot, no I was not touching her, I was only connected to her by her halter and lead) she suddenly spun on me and tried to kick me out of nowhere so I had to jump back and use the end of the lead rope to smack her butt before she could land a kick. That particular situation happened a little while ago. Today all I did was approach her empty handed, just wanting to pet her and spend some time with her, she pinned her ears, tried to BITE me, then proceeded to spin around an try to KICK me. I did NOTHING to her. So instead, I turned around, got a halter and lead and proceeded to get Tucker tied so I could brush him down and spend some time with a horse that actually LIKES me. Dakota approached me from behind so I turned watched her out of the corner of my eye. She put her nose by my shoulder so I turned slightly said “hey buddy” very softly, and pet her gently down her head and neck. She tolerated this for about a minute (all the while I’m petting her in the same spots so I know I didn’t hit a sensitive area or anything like that) next thing I know she pins her ears and tries to bite me again, when she failed to bite me after I jumped out of the way (keep in mind this whole time I’ve got Tucker behind me and I about got pinned between the two even though my original position was not a dangerous one until she came at me) she spun around and tried to land a kick again I got away just in time. Fast forward about five minutes, we had a little bit of calm time where she let me brush her down, then paint her face and legs happily standing there to let me do my work, couple seconds later, she’s trying to kick me again.

i’m so lost yall, as I stated above, I’ve been nothing but nice to her from day one moving slowly through training. Suddenly a few weeks ago, she starts to get worse and worse and meaner and meaner. I’m just so confused. And before people ask SHE IS NOT IN PAIN. Vets have looked at her and confirm that she’s perfectly sound and that there’s no reason she should not be worked with or ridden. I wanted a horse since I was a little girl, all I ever wanted was a friend, why is it the first horse I get starts out like a dream, and then turned into a monster.
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Sounds like you need to read the aggressive horse thread that was on here recently. They turn into monsters because we let them. She is trying to be the herd leader. With you as part of the herd!
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