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So I've been thinking about posting a thread here about this for awhile, even though most of you are not from New Zealand, I'm assuming the market is pretty much dead everywhere.

I'll try not to go on too much but I can't make any promises :lol:
Last March (was a year ago on the 20th) I fell off my mare and shattered my leg. Although I've finally gotten to a stage where I can ride again, the longest I'm lasting right now is 15mins, and I'm only riding my mare, although not presently. I had my gelding up on the market before Christmas, but took him down because he went through an odd stage and I believed he was sore but it was actually a problem I had made (started to distant myself because I knew I had to sell him and he turned sour and threw all his toys out of the cot so to speak. Purely my own doing). Since I'm not a person who would sell a sore horse (I'm incredibly honest and speak up about all their flaws immediately), I have been working with my guy to sort his problems etc.

I would keep him as he is my baby and I've had him for quite sometime now, however the reality is, I'm never going to ride as good as I used to, and he's an expressive horse in movement. I wouldn't keep up with him, hell I was struggling to when I wasn't part bionic. He is the type of horse who loves work, so he's kind of not himself so to speak... sure he's loveable and happy, but you can tell he would love nothing more than to go for a ride.

He did have a rider, who was helping me sell him, but after awhile she started riding for someone else and so Evo has no rider currently. I namely want to know if people would consider my guy at this lowered price etc.

Evo is 12yrs old, sound, straight and been under saddle since 2007. He was professionally trained in Jan 08 by my instructor, went to the beach, can school in a working frame in the walk and trot and was getting there with being consistent in the canter. He loves to jump, and was jumping 1.05m on the lunge back then. Can be ridden alone or in company, likes road rides, and self loads onto trailers. He's friendly as, easy to deal with, although he does have moments where he spooks when his rugs come off, just silly things like that. No dirt under saddle, a perfect gentleman who tries his heart out. We proved he could be pulled out of the paddock whenever after winter last year and he offered to work for his rider at the time. He doesn't need riding daily, he knows what he needs to do. A 12y.o who normally rode ponies came and tried him and was safely trotting him around my large paddock with ease once she got used to his expressive movement. Most importantly, he takes real good care of his riders, as I've always had a bad leg and he's made sure I stay where I'm meant to be!

The only faults this horse has is that he was used (and abused) as an apprentice driving horse for 7yrs before I got him. He has anxiety (hardly flares up) and will 'windsuck' if the scenario strikes. He doesn't latch on, just twist his lip and sucks in. Like I said, hardly does it, but I always bring it up in case. Because of this habit, he wore down his front teeth and so he can't go without hay/supplementary feed over winter as he can't pinch really short grass and keep his weight well with poor grass during this time.

He was meant to be my dressage horse, and show mount. He's got the talent for it, but apart from several inquiries (all in which said his movement was just too big for them to handle - the ad clearly stated he had big movement, yet once you get the hang of it you'll fall in love with it) no one seems to want my big guy. I was advertising him at $1000 NZD, but when I put him back up, because he's not in work I'm putting the price at $600.

Do you think this is reasonable? I mean I'm incredibly biased, but I think Evo is an amazing package, and for someone who wants to compete, he'll go well, and be a great companion. However, I'm his Mummy and only think the best of him lol :lol: Please give me some thoughts! I don't really want to let him go for anything less, but not being in work does mean I won't get much for him. I know I'll never get what I've put in him but at the end of the day, him happy with a nice home is the priority.

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Jan 08


Nov 09


Nov 09


Nov 09 (his third canter under saddle since being back in work for the year but he offered well and that was what counted!)


Recently taken.


Thanks in advance, especially if you read the entire novel! Haha!
 

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Gosh he is cute!! Looks like he would need a bit of canter work, but he looks like a fun ride. And seriously, he has THE cutest face ever!! :)

Good luck!
 

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He is long in his canter, but he always tries. He was at a level where he was starting to build himself up enough to really lift that canter and slow it down, but of course with lack of work that goes back out the window. It's in there lol.
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I think he is most definitely worth what you want to put him up for :] I'd take him if i could! xD
 

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I think he is most definitely worth what you want to put him up for :] I'd take him if i could! xD

Thank you. I think he's a steal at that price... just hope I can sell him before winter starts to come around here in NZ!
 

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I'm not too familiar with the NZ market, but I think you're selling him too cheap. Put it as $1000 neg to right home. If he has the expressive movement, like you say, the right person will buy him. If he has the talent, some one will snap him up. I'm guessing he's a standardbred? In my area, standies and standie x's do quite well in the hunter ring.
Are you including any tack in the asking price? Is he a beginners horse or is he more suited to being a 2nd or 3rd horse?
 

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I'm not too familiar with the NZ market, but I think you're selling him too cheap. Put it as $1000 neg to right home. If he has the expressive movement, like you say, the right person will buy him. If he has the talent, some one will snap him up. I'm guessing he's a standardbred? In my area, standies and standie x's do quite well in the hunter ring.
Are you including any tack in the asking price? Is he a beginners horse or is he more suited to being a 2nd or 3rd horse?

He was at $1000 and no one was biting - this was when he was being ridden. We're overburdened with Standardbreds in NZ, so they go very cheaply. I didn't really want to go low on price, but I do need to be realistic and sell him. Apart from his bridle and bit he will not come with any other tack (I use my saddle on both horses)... He is more suitable for someone capable, he's quiet enough to take a beginner for a spin (as he has done a few times, and even a couple of "pony rides") but he does need a rider who will support him if he gets worried about something. Like I said he's not dirty, but I think an animal his size (16.1hh est) and being so long etc, he does need someone who knows what they're doing. Or someone who has access to ground support if they were still getting basic experience.
 

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Thought I'd add this... its by no means up here for critique AT ALL... this was his third ride back after winter break last year... zoom zoom in the canter, and the transition down to trot was sloppy... but we weren't expecting much. That's his "rough trot" he's a hell of a lot smoother and consistent when working correctly. But this is his movement... and this is "too big" for all the people who were interested in showing. I don't get it. Lol.

 

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Just note I didn't see all of the video because my computer decided now would be an appropriate time to throw a tantrum. :|
I think that if you could work on his head carriage and get him working more from his hindquarters, you could get $1000 for him.
Can he leg-yeild and do shoulder ins? Can he do travers? Lateral movement will help supple him up, and I find that it can help with transitions.
Have you ever rode a dressage test on him? If so at what level and at what level is he training?
 

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He is definately a beautiful horse, no questions asked. I'm not the most knowledgeable horseperson (in fact, it's been a few years since I've had the privelage to be around the magnificent beasts) but he is certainly a gem.
As a prospective buyer (if only I lived in NZ!) I find it reassuring that you point out his flaws as much as his better features. I would personally not object to paying the initial price, though perhaps under negotiation?

Long story short, I think 1000neg. is a fitting price to ask for your boy.

Good luck in finding him a good home!
 

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I for one love his action like u say he has been out of work so more schooling on head carrige backend etc but the price u asking is A STEAL he is gorgeous!
 

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Just note I didn't see all of the video because my computer decided now would be an appropriate time to throw a tantrum. :|
I think that if you could work on his head carriage and get him working more from his hindquarters, you could get $1000 for him.
Can he leg-yeild and do shoulder ins? Can he do travers? Lateral movement will help supple him up, and I find that it can help with transitions.
Have you ever rode a dressage test on him? If so at what level and at what level is he training?

Unfortunately, he is not in work right now, as I cannot ride (see first post)... as I do not have a rider for him I cannot work on these things myself. He was leg yielding under saddle with his training, and I did playfully do one of the easiest tests ages ago on him when I was riding him but it was only walk and trot.
He's got the goods for someone to work with and I'm happy to have any buyer come and spend several weeks working with him before deciding to take him if they feel the need to.
It's a difficult situation as he would be much easier to sell if I could ride/ his rider wasn't so busy.
Thanks for the input.
 

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I for one love his action like u say he has been out of work so more schooling on head carrige backend etc but the price u asking is A STEAL he is gorgeous!

Thank you very much. All these photos/vid are from Nov 09. But I feel he will be roughly the same as he was here, as he wasn't being ridden a lot then. If someone would put the work in they'd have a fantastic horse (again heavily biased :oops:)! And yes, he is a tad handsome, isn't he? :wink:
 

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First of all, so sorry about your accident and your being forced to make tough decisions about your horses.

I do think he's a nice horse with some potential. I don't know what the market is like in NZ, but in general, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage by not having him in steady work. Here in the US, where there's a glut of horses on the market, he might not get looked at because there'd be several similiar horses at similiar prices that were in regular work.

I'm sorry, I suspect this is *not* what you want to hear, or good news, but I think you'd be better off leaving the price as is and finding a rider for him. Offer the rider a commission on the sale if need be. Maybe even send him to your instructor's or another professional's barn where he can be ridden and seen.

While I absolutely believe you are honest and forthright, and obviously with your leg there's a reason why you're not riding him; people who come to see him are not going to be able to visualize what he'd be like when he's in steady work. They're only going to see what's in front of them on that day.

Good luck!
 

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Being a standie, you're not going to get high prices for him unfortunately. Standies are like tb's, a dime a dozen but unfortunately for standies, even the really superior ones are looked over because of their breed. Being out of work is not going to help you sell him. We have standies here going for doggers money that are really quite nice, going kindly under saddle but no one wants them :/

Maura gave good advice, get someone to ride him, have him going walk trot and canter at least softly and responsive to the aids, then try to sell him for $1000. You want him doing at least leg yield to get him a little ahead of the usual standie crowd.
 

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Maura and Kayty, thank you for your thoughts here.
These are also problems I have seen in selling him myself. My instructor has too many horses right now to help me with Evo (I have asked and offered a commission like suggested)... I will try to find a rider for him but either way I do need to sell him before winter hits as I don't want to disadvantage two horses when my leg troubles with the cold settle in and it takes me twice as long to do everything in the limited time I will have.

All the same I appreciate your advice here everyone :)
 

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Can you lease him out? If he's quiet enough I'm sure a pony club kid would love the chance to lease him. Then you can put an option to buy on it?
Have thought of this also. I would be happy to lease him provided in the end he is sold. I don't know how to word this without sounding foolish, but if I can't have my boy anymore, I'd rather sell him to a good home and have updates, but not see him. Although with leasing he could move off the property, I'd still wish to check on him to make sure the care for him is being upheld. With selling him it would not be my right to check in on him all the time. Silly I know, but I tried to sell him earlier (before I broke my leg) and ended up seeing him and then bringing him home with a new way of thinking I could master his movement etc. So for his best interest, I need to sell him.

Does that make sense?
 

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How about sale with 1 month trail period? And just the conditions that they pay upfront before he is removed from the property, and if he doesn't suit them and is returned, he MUST be in the same condition as when he left or money will not be returned in full?
 

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How about sale with 1 month trail period? And just the conditions that they pay upfront before he is removed from the property, and if he doesn't suit them and is returned, he MUST be in the same condition as when he left or money will not be returned in full?

Yes, that is fine by me, I did it on my last sale :)


Good news, I left a desperate plea for help on my FB and his old rider has found time to come help with Evo. I'm excited to see him being worked again :)
 
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