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I feel like the black sheep, and he has almost a cult like following and I just can't understand why. Not only is he a major hypocrite, but also his training techniques are far from safe as well as his skills with being a nice human being far from expected from a professional.

Anyone else see through his farce?
 

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:rofl:

Tell me, does Pat Parelli have anything to worry about in the 'stache department? He's been the King of Moustache for a very long time.
David here has a more old timey look to him, more down and dirty so I give his scraggly face hair some extra points above Sir Pepperoni :lol:



I don't think anyone can beat this horseman's face hair though

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True, true! Gandalf has everyone beat for facial hair. Plus, he's a wizard. :wink:

Honestly, there seems to be another new NH Guru come onto the scene every time I turn around. I don't even try to keep track of all of them anymore.

If he's an asshat, don't train with him. If you don't like his YouBoob videos, don't watch 'em. I've been able to avoid a lot of stress that way. :p
 

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  • Well... I found one comment on youtube that agrees with me!


(for those who don't know him here's his most popular video. Not ropes everywhere , dogs chasing scared horse etc. Absolutely awful trainer who has fees of 800 a month! )


  • Mr. DLA, I just had to watch quite a few of your vids to confirm what I thought. My opinion is that there are as many training methods as horse trainers around. I will tell you that I think you know a lot but your way of criticizing those who don't think like you and constantly trying to run them down in all your vids makes you look frustrated and stuck up. Just concentrate on your teaching + check out Monty Roberts, even you can still learn from top notch horse people.

    Robert Nesta Marley 4 months ago


  • yes there is now dont believe in join up because in reality it is tiring a horse... Like his mustang thing that was aired a few years ago that mustang was ran for two days pretty much none stop before he was caught up.. Also maybe you should his aunts book might give you some insight.



 

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Ooooooooh that guy! Haha I've seen some of his YouTube vids before. Yes he doesn't present very professionally, I didn't really pay too much attention to his vids as I was distracted by the dog and the ropes......perhaps it's smoke and mirrors? Like a magician, let's distract the audience enough that they don't actually see the trick? Haha!
 

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I know him personally, have watched him work and my mom kinda dated him for a while. I think you guys need to remember just how many horses he had to work with everyday, and the situations he is handled. That said I DO however think that he tends to not take the time to personalize his technique for each horse. Again, this is likely do to the sheer volume of horses he has come through the rescue. He is a very nice man, although gruff. Yeah, he's a cowboy so he doesn't wear a helmet, chest protector, etc (not saying its okay, just sayin). I think he just does what he needs to do to get things done, and I know a lot of horses and people whose lives he has changed. I think like with any trainer (especially over the Internet...) you need to take what you can use and leave the rest. You may have seen a video he has of a bay filly, idk if her name was mentioned but it's Coco. In the video he ties her face to her tail (not something I agree with..but I think it could be judged REALLY bad if you don't know the filly.) That filly was actually ours, the guy whose ranch we lived at had bred for her and she is SERIOUSLY missing a nut or two. She has had everything done right, seen many trainers and she's absolutely bat poop crazy. She is one of those horses that just needs to be euthanized because she's beyond rotten. At that point David was trying anything and everything to get through to her and save her life. Those are the kinds of horses he deals with. Anyways, not trying to change anyone's mind and I'm really not for or against him. I have major respect and appreciation for what he does for the horses be can, but don't necessarily agree or disagree with all of his training methods.

On a side note, his mustache is totally cool! He's actually a very small, dare I say petite person haha.
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Thanks for your input. I'm not for him for the simple reason I too agree with what you see on video doesn't show it all. When I first met him I knew he was an old school cowboy and admired his work with the rescues. I use natural horsemanship but I don't judge him because of only his training styles but people skills as well. As soon as he got in my face over nothing simply because he was having a bad day every ounce of respect I had was gone. I don't know what yelling in someones face has to do with being "true to your horse" but I just find it a two faced move.
 

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I lost brain cells watching that.

"I have his head so I have control" Guess what you and all your NH peeps all claim that. Guess what these are 1000lbs animals with their own brains that if they really want to you will not stop them.

All these NH trainers IMO are control freaks. People need to stop thinking they are so superior. Lets take away all the "tools" us humans use who will win?

UGH!

There is nothing natural about horsemanship!
 

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As soon as he got in my face over nothing simply because he was having a bad day every ounce of respect I had was gone. I don't know what yelling in someones face has to do with being "true to your horse" but I just find it a two faced move.
Oh, now I see. You have a PERSONAL grudge against him because he's not all butterfly farts and rainbows when talking to people.

He's human and is going to make mistakes, especially if he's having a bad day. Just like you, me, and everyone else on the planet.

Did you really come here to trash him just because you're having a hissy fit because he was 'mean to you'?
 

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Yeah, I think quite a few of his videos shouldn't be posted purely because you can't give the watcher a real understanding of what's going on with the horse, and in turn either give the watcher a really BAD idea cause it's not the situation they think it is, or makes him look "cruel" to people who don't agree. Oh well, I don't think he cares what anyone thinks haha. He is VERY gruff though, and I totally understand not liking him if he got in our face and was a jerk. He isn't a people person by any means, and im gonna stop with that so as not I disclose anything that is too personal about him, he deserves some privacy.

I was totally in love (and so excited to see!!!) Craig Cameron at equine affaire a few years ago. HOLY POO idk if he was just having a bad day but when the foot he har ended up being something entirely different than what he thought he was (stud colt, already had bad habits, blah blah) he dead ABUSED that horse to try and make him fit the mold he wanted him to so he could still do the demo that was "scheduled". When he realized the horse was NOT what he thought he was he should've changed the lesson so that it was something good for all of us. I'm sure every good horse person in the stands would've been happy to see him teach the colt to give to pressure and respect rather than watch him push him to the brink of breaking and smash his spirit just to show whatever it was he was supposed to, I dont even remember now, it was a train wreck. Anyways, the point of that is although I will never support Craig Cameron again, I'm sure it was just a bad day.
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I lost brain cells watching that.

"I have his head so I have control" Guess what you and all your NH peeps all claim that. Guess what these are 1000lbs animals with their own brains that if they really want to you will not stop them.

All these NH trainers IMO are control freaks. People need to stop thinking they are so superior. Lets take away all the "tools" us humans use who will win?

UGH!

There is nothing natural about horsemanship!
I don't find it natural horsemanship at all. It's old school cowboy, but yes in the end horses have the power. No one can MAKE a horse do anything. That's why I laugh at PETA followers who say riding a horse in general is abuse... If my horse didnt want me on his back I'd never be able to mount up.
 

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Oh, now I see. You have a PERSONAL grudge against him because he's not all butterfly farts and rainbows when talking to people.

He's human and is going to make mistakes, especially if he's having a bad day. Just like you, me, and everyone else on the planet.

Did you really come here to trash him just because you're having a hissy fit because he was 'mean to you'?
Also I think people should be warned against hiring him. I was not a client of his just a human being that happened to be around. If you want to follow him why don't you just leave this thread?
 

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I don't find it natural horsemanship at all. It's old school cowboy, but yes in the end horses have the power. No one can MAKE a horse do anything. That's why I laugh at PETA followers who say riding a horse in general is abuse... If my horse didnt want me on his back I'd never be able to mount up.
PETA- People Eating Tasty Animals...lol.

Eh after some more reading on him its almost like a mix of old school and NH.

I've known some awesome old schoolers where the horse is their living and care was taken, then others that played up to "breaking" a horse. And trust me I take issue with methods used by them.

There is stuff NH preach that I agree with but mainly because its just flat out common sense. But I find alot of it hocus pocus and circus tricks. My dog hates circus tricks I sure wont make my horse do them.

Its obviously to each there own. But the true key of horsemanship is customizing to each individual horse. Not using these broad brush strokes by the current "flavor of the month". I just look at standardized testing... It can be just right, to hard, to easy, or just struggle in certain areas. You can not excel using broad brush strokes.
 

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I personally know David from volunteering at FalconRidge he's an old school, no drama, no bs kinda cowboy. With David theres no fluff and he doesnt tell you what you want to hear. Ive seen him be moody and if he doesnt like you he doesnt like you. Now that I've addressesd the human "poor me" waaaaa factor lets talk horses.David has taught me a tremendous amount just from watching his videos. I have a wild pony I've adopted and using his techniques sh'es now a great pony. Dont take it personal, get off your soap box and stop being so butt hurt. :0
 

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How bad of a day are you allowed to have, either in your vents on innocent bystanders or horses?

Dumping on someone IS immature at best & hurtful & damaging (especially to a horse) at worst. So let's not make it the new norm.

Craig Cameron's "bad day": a true horseman would stop WAAAY before he was so off-track with a horse that he wrecked the horse! Is there any possibility that you didn't see things clearly? Yikes.

As to DLA's horsemanship: From the several vids I've watched of David Lee, I see that he's highly skilled/gets the job done with horses. I don't recall cruelty, & doubt that he is, because of his high success rate.
 
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