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Evolution or creatonism, which do you prefer?

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This is my first time attempting to make a poll thread so bear with me if the poll is faulty!

It has come to my attention that only 39% of Americans believe in evolution, which I find a little surprising especially since it is often taught in schools. I personally do believe in the theory of evolution because of the overwhelming evidence for it. So, what do you believe is true? Healthy debate is welcome, mindless arguing is not.
 

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They are both "theory's" so neither can be proven...yet. I'm holding my opinion until one or the other is cold hard scientific fact. I'm sure I will be holding it a long time.

One relys on faith the other science, I believe in both :lol:
 

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They are both "theory's" so neither can be proven...yet. I'm holding my opinion until one or the other is cold hard scientific fact. I'm sure I will be holding it a long time.
This is a point that I hear quite often. However, it is necessary to understand the definition of a theory. A theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge". Basically, a theory is something that is well-supported and usually accepted as true. The nature of science thrives on skepticism and doubt to create positive change, and the theory of evolution has gone through this. By comparison, creationism is more of a hypothesis- an idea created on observation that has not yet been widely proven, a proposal. For a hypothesis to become a theory, it must be "testable" to be proven true.
 

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I believe in a mix of intelligent design and evolution. I believe that God made the first humans and a large selection of the first animals/plants etc, then evolution kinda took over and created the life forms we know today.

I choose to believe that becuase of my spiritual beliefs and because I don't see how it's possible for 2 humans to magically rise out of the ocean within 30/40 years of each other. I don't see how that's possible. But I do believe that it's likely for horses, for instance, to have all started out with a common ancestor then changed over the years into the horses we know as horses today. Same thing with dogs and wolves, if God created a wolf I don't see why a dog could have come from that eventually.

That's just my belief.

With your 39% poll number thingy, I think that mostly stems from that fact that the US is still, fundamentally, based on christian values. Most of my friends in school (public school) would have called themselves "christians" and would have reverted back to the creation story from the Bible when anyone questioned them about evolution/creatonism. Those kids were not living any semblance of a "christian" life and if you asked them what they believed in, they most likely wouldn't know, but for some reason they held on the creation story like their lives depended on it. haha
Also, at least at my high school, biology was not a required course for most kids. None of the more advanced sciences were actually, so most kids at my school never learned about genetics/how plants work/chemistry, that sorta thing. I took Biology and even though the teacher was an evolution fanatic, her way of explaining how evolution worked mainly revolved around her overhead projector, a few overheads of neonatal animals that looked like each other and the question "why do these fetuses look the same if they aren't related through evolution?". Needless to say, that didn't really convince anyone.

Goodness, I wrote a lot. Haha
 

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Im Agnostic. I don't know if there's a great creator out there or what that entails, I don't think any of us will ever know. However, I think there certainly could be.
So in that regard I agree with Wallaby. I believe in evolution. It's hard for me to understand how you could not. However I think it's possible for there to be a God as well as evolution.
 

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I believe some things are created perfect, while others are not. Some things have evolved, there is proof. There has been an evolution of finches (i believe its a finch) that has been documented recently.
Tiny organisms, and even large ones have gone unchanged for centuries, while people are constantly evolving from what they were a few hundred years ago (intellect and looks.)
 

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I voted uncertain,

since I belive these two different views don't rule each others out.

ETA: Over here they teach both of theories in the school but doesn't offer them as unquestionable truth, especially the religious one. (Over here over 70% of people are evangelical lutherans and that's why there are religious education in school. If you aren't a member of that church you don't need to participate and I assume then you won't been taught that Christian creationism theory).
 

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I do not, and will not ever associate myself with evolution or intelligent design. I am a Christian, I believe God created the universe, earth, the plants, the animals, and the ecosystems for each one. And that He has a purpose for each and every organism on this planet and others out there in the universe if there are such.

And going back to the OP's fact that you are surprised that only 39% of those in schools believe in Evolution. Think about this. When I was in 9th grade, my BIOLOGY teacher was a dead-on Christian, and even though he did not believe in what he was teaching, didn't stop him from following curriculum. He told us all at the beginning of the year, that he was only teaching what he was told to, and that those of us who disagreed with the teachings, did not have to participate.
You want to know the amount of us in the class who actually stood up for what we believed in, and indeed almost got failed because our teacher still graded by normal standards even though he disagreed himself? 6 of us, out of the 28 in that class. I still never found out if anyone else in the class besides those 6, including myself who stood up for our faith(we all almost failed because we did stand firm in what we believed) just lied about their faith, or just were ignorant and acted as if it didn't bother them just to get a perfect grade.
My point is, those facts about the 39% may be off. Whether it be greater in the Evolution percentage, or the other percentage is beyond me. But what I'm saying is. As sad as it makes me, it's true. Not all of us who disagree with the theories of Evolution, Intelligent Design, and whatnot-else, actually speak up for it.
 

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My Biology professor last semester was a Christian. He is also an Ecologist. He is extremely religious, however he is also a scientist. He pointed out a lot of things that I thought were interesting. I have a few questions, not meant as an attack, for those who do not believe in Evolution based on the Bible. I don't know why you would fail a class because it doesn't line up with your faith. Classes are not meant to tell you this is fact (Especially Science classes. Nothing in Science is absolute), they are meant to educate you on various theories (At least Science classes). I am always left to wonder with statements like that, why aren't people willing to hear other peoples points? It doesn't mean you have to be any less solid in your own beliefs. I think it rounds you out.

I digress though. I have some questions for those that do not believe in Evolution (regardless of if they believe in Creationism or not)

Do you believe in Natural Selection? Obviously there is Artificial Selection which can cause animals to change and evolve, but what about Natural Selection?

Do you not agree with the idea that simple organisms arose before complex organisms?

What about Fossil records? IE one species exists, then tapers off as a new yet similar species appears?

Speciation can occur in artificial settings, why not in natural?


Not meaning to start an argument..just curious
 

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This is a point that I hear quite often. However, it is necessary to understand the definition of a theory. A theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge". Basically, a theory is something that is well-supported and usually accepted as true. The nature of science thrives on skepticism and doubt to create positive change, and the theory of evolution has gone through this. By comparison, creationism is more of a hypothesis- an idea created on observation that has not yet been widely proven, a proposal. For a hypothesis to become a theory, it must be "testable" to be proven true.
I understand the theory of Darwin's natural selection is pretty much a given. Creationism is more along the lines of hypothesis and relies on faith. Its what came before that, the series of events that was the origins of life that stump me. Back to the primordial soup stuff. Trust me I'm more of a science geek than a religious person. Its one of those "I wish I had paid attention in biology class" things. :lol:
 

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I don't see why believing in evolution means that you don't believe in God. Or for that matter believing in God means you cannot believe in evolution?

Do I believe in evolution? Yes, although there are holes in the theory and the fossil record is remarkably incomplete. There is quite a bit of DNA, chemical (just about the same thing anyways), fossil, and developmental evidence to show that evolution is a reality. Of course, science being science it isn't going to call something a fact until it's completely proven. People who haven't studied all the information usually don't believe in it. Not surprising at all if you look at the history of humans and their collective willingness to believe in science. Even after it's been proven like the existence of microorganisms, earth revolving around the sun, earth being round, etc, etc.

Do I believe in God? 100% My own personal belief is that there is a "god" (or whatever you want to call the higher power). I can't explain what god is. My puny human mind isn't capable :lol:. I think that god has used and continues to use evolution, nature, and science to explain and direct. Just another tool in the toolbox. Or something like that anyways, I haven't actually articulated this idea before although I've been thinking about it for years.

It never fails to amuse me that people still fall for the same old fight. Religion vs Science. Personally, for me and many of the top scientists (many of which are very religious/spiritual), there isn't a fight. Why are people so afraid to actually learn the opposing veiwpoint? I wonder if the religious people are afraid to challenge their faith? Are the science geeks among us afraid to challenge theirs?
 

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I don't see why believing in evolution means that you don't believe in God. Or for that matter believing in God means you cannot believe in evolution?

Do I believe in evolution? Yes, although there are holes in the theory and the fossil record is remarkably incomplete. There is quite a bit of DNA, chemical (just about the same thing anyways), fossil, and developmental evidence to show that evolution is a reality. Of course, science being science it isn't going to call something a fact until it's completely proven. People who haven't studied all the information usually don't believe in it. Not surprising at all if you look at the history of humans and their collective willingness to believe in science. Even after it's been proven like the existence of microorganisms, earth revolving around the sun, earth being round, etc, etc.

Do I believe in God? 100% My own personal belief is that there is a "god" (or whatever you want to call the higher power). I can't explain what god is. My puny human mind isn't capable :lol:. I think that god has used and continues to use evolution, nature, and science to explain and direct. Just another tool in the toolbox. Or something like that anyways, I haven't actually articulated this idea before although I've been thinking about it for years.

It never fails to amuse me that people still fall for the same old fight. Religion vs Science. Personally, for me and many of the top scientists (many of which are very religious/spiritual), there isn't a fight. Why are people so afraid to actually learn the opposing veiwpoint? I wonder if the religious people are afraid to challenge their faith? Are the science geeks among us afraid to challenge theirs?
Exactly! thanks for putting it into the words I could not
 

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I understand the theory of Darwin's natural selection is pretty much a given. Creationism is more along the lines of hypothesis and relies on faith. Its what came before that, the series of events that was the origins of life that stump me. Back to the primordial soup stuff. Trust me I'm more of a science geek than a religious person. Its one of those "I wish I had paid attention in biology class" things. :lol:
Theres a really cool experiment I can't remember the name of. Basically they created the atmosphere of the Earth when it was in it's baby stages. After a period of weeks, changes started to occur which made it possible for life to begin. Oxygen was formed, and a bunch of other stuff happened (We talked about it the beginning of the semester so I can't remember all the details. I'll try and find it later today. Basically it showed it is possible to create life from nothing. (The beginnings for a simple organisim were occuring) The test has been done over and over and hasnt been disproved yet.
 

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No problem Vida :) I've spent a lot of time thinking about it over the years. I should really write a little mini paper. LOL.

Spastic - I've heard of that expirement, but I don't remember what it was called. Love to see it when you find it. Let me know if you need help, I think I still have access at school.
 

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I don't see how it is possible to not believe in evolution - we see the evolution of viruses and bacteria all the time - the HIV virus has evolved a ton (that is part of what makes treating it so difficult) - it responds to selective pressure and evolves. This is how we end up with so many antibiotic resistant bacteria and antiviral resistant viruses. It is easier to see in viruses and bacteria because of the very fast generation times, but there is a lot of evidence of selective pressure and evolution in other species and the fossil record.

As far as religion - I've never understood why some people don't see evolution as god's method. They do not have to be separate from one another. The bible says it happened in 7 days - what is a day to god? I don't believe you can take most of the teachings in the bible literally (how many old testament guys lived to be like 500 - really?). Isn't it possible that he has used evolution to create the universe and all that is in it?

I also never understood the need to fail a class or even a test because you don't agree with what you are being taught - believe me I didn't agree with everything when I was in college or grad school - but you suck it up, learn from the experience, and finish. Are people afraid that their faith is so weak that learning something different would ruin it for them? I think challenging one's faith with other viewpoints only strengthens one's argument and deepens faith.
 

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Evolution. 100% I have never and will never believe anything else
 

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I am totally a creationist. I believe that God created the earth and everything in it. There are so many things in nature that defy evolution and show that there must have been a creator.
 
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