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May be a silly question, but I haven't "checked" a horse before (cows, pigs 20 years ago...lol). My colt looks like he has 1 down. Can anyone describe what I should be feeling if both, or one, are down. He isn't trailer trained, yet, and I hate to have the vet out to geld him only to find out he has to go in for the surgery because he hasn't dropped both yet.

Mister is 10 months and starting to be a bit pushy with the other horses. So I know it needs to be done, just don't want to waste the vets time.
 

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If he will let you touch him down there, you can try feeling for them. My colt was handled since birth and didn't mind. I could feel both of them. Of course I could also see both of them much of the time too though!

The vet definitely doesn't want to get in there unless you have at least seen or felt them both. Because if he can't get one it will mean either doing the horse again later, or a much more involved surgery if the second one doesn't come down on it's own. Either way, you would rather get them both at the same time. So I wouldn't schedule the vet until you know you have two. It wouldn't hurt to talk to you vet though.
 

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Yep, if he'll let you, just feel for them. I got one of my colts gelded recently that you could only see one nut. You had to get in there and kind of search for the other one.

It's hard to mistake them for anything else :wink:.
 

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I guess my question should be... ahem....what should they feel like? firm, squishy... 2 completely seperate....He doesn't have a problem with me touching him, so that isn't an issue. What I feel now is one semi solid node, not really firm. Thats all I see too. SO I am kinda worried what I see and feel is just fleshy and not actually the nut. Which kinda concerns me becasue of his attitude lately. And he is in a pasture with a filly who is 2 months younger.
 

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ginjohns, for the longest time my gelding only had 1 nut. we finally dropped the other at 12.5 months old. so it was an extra 50 bucks because he was over a year. one nut was huge while the other was smaller. when they vet went to cut them he had to redig the smaller one out and we ended up with a squirting vessel he had to clamp off. so definitely make sure you feel 2! luckily for me my boy laid down on command so i could easily lift one left and see 1 lump. if you push around the other might pop up, but my boy's never dangled or hung i got them chopped asap! some boys just wait longer then others.
 

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Yeah, they should feel firm but not hard, sometimes one is smaller than the other and "hides" behind it. They aren't precisely round, more of an elongated egg shape.
 

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I guess my question should be... ahem....what should they feel like? firm, squishy... 2 completely seperate....He doesn't have a problem with me touching him, so that isn't an issue. What I feel now is one semi solid node, not really firm. Thats all I see too. SO I am kinda worried what I see and feel is just fleshy and not actually the nut. Which kinda concerns me becasue of his attitude lately. And he is in a pasture with a filly who is 2 months younger.
Hmm. They were kind of soft/squishy and basically together (one a little higher up than the other) but I could tell there were two. They were almost one unit and soft, but I could tell there was a little valley between them. I'm trying to think what the comparison would be. Maybe like an egg with two yolks?

It sounds like you have one. A "semi solid node" sounds like one of them. :) The other one is probably up higher and perhaps out of reach. Hopefully it will show up soon.
 

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Not to be impolite....

But it should feel like you would expect a human's to feel, but a bit bigger. Not knowing your age or gender - all I can tell you is that if you don't know what that should feel like, go talk to a woman - guys get all squeemish when one talks about feeling for nuts in preparation for gelding. Take my word on that! My hubby banned the subject from the house! If you think you might just be feeling flesh, you probably are.

So... having dealth with a colt who did not want them to come off and had every intention of keeping one of them, let me tell you what you are in for if you don't two...

First and foremost, some colts don't drop both until two, especially some of the gaited breeds - don't ask me why when my Arab colt had both down at five months. The Saddlebred at 22 months only had one. So give them some time, just in case they are a late dropper, while you save up your cash.

The next thing is to find a really really good vet. Do your research and ask for references for people who have had this surgrey done. It is a really complicated word that I am not even going to try to spell, but it starts with a crypt and go on for 15 or 20 more letters after that. No matter what your finances are, throw out the lowest two estimates.

This surgery is expensive for a reason. In this area, the vets want to keep the colt under 24 hour care for between one to four days - at $800 a day! Do not, repeat, do not let them send him home the same day!!! That vet is a quack and you will be lucky if your horse lives through it - mine did, but only barely!

The reason for the hospital stay is that this is abdominal surgery where they usually leave drainage slits open. My colt, at 22 months, was knocked out cold for two hours for the surgery, then we were sent home four hours after that - with blood and clear fluid dripping from the incisions. We followed all care instructions, stall rest for one day, trurn out by himself after that.

Three days later, with no warning, he fell over in his pasture. Somehow we got him in a trailer and back to the vet for treatment of the massive infection. His fevor was 105. Two days hospitalized and he came home on massave doses of antibiotics for 20 more days before his blood test came back clean of infection. My low cost $800 surgery cost me an additonal $4,000 to save my horse.

As for the two incision points that were left to 'drain' - well drain they did, for the next five years!!!

I hope this helps and does not traumatize... the good news is that my horse is fine and doing great.
 

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Yadlim, holy wow, what a horror story. That makes me very grateful for my good old country vets. Not only are the more affordable in general, they take a very personal interest in making sure you and your horse are very well cared for and happy when it's all said and done.

Oh, and the word you are looking for is "cryptorchid" or "cryptorchidism".
 

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Wow Yadlim, what a horrible experience!

My gelding is a QH/Fox Trotter cross and he had testicles almost immediately after birth. All my friends were impressed(!), but my vet said that's not at all uncommon. So I don't know if being gaited has anything to do with it. I got my guy gelded at 5 months. I was very lucky to be able to get him done so soon.

My guy did get an infection though and was draining pus out the drainage slits like you mentioned. No one else I know had ever had a horse get infected after gelding surgery. Mine did! He ran a fever and got antibiotics. It took him almost a month to heal because the infection set him back. Thank goodness he healed up okay.

I feel really bad about your guy having all that trouble! Hopefully the original poster won't have a cryptorchid to deal with.

Most gelding surgeries go fine and the horse heals up in a couple of weeks. My friend had 3-4 done at her place. All were fine. I get one colt gelded and he gets infected. Go figure!
 

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Thanks all. And Yadlin... WOW!
I just wasn't sure if horse's would feel similar to a bull or pig. So question answered. I'm thinking one dropped, but with the cold may be "tucked up." I've got a vet I trust so I'm good there. Just hoping we can get this done soon. I don't have another pasture to seperate him into right now. Just weened the filly and momma is in the other one, and it's too soon to put those two back together.
 

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Thanks to all of you for your kind thoughts - my boy has been my love for the last, oh gosh, 11 years now? It took him at least two or three months to get back to normal, though his personality was a lot different. The joke has always been that we cut his brains off because he was so much nicer as a stallion then as a gelding.

I have had one other colt gelded with no issues - for less than $200 (20 years ago...). I have also been around at least five others who, though stiff for a few days, never had any issues.

So, everyone who has a colt with two and a or a great vet, YEAH!!!!
 

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I don't have another pasture to seperate him into right now. Just weened the filly and momma is in the other one, and it's too soon to put those two back together.
LOL - I bought a mare out of a pasture where she had been running with a then ten month old colt for the last five months... six months later we had a filly! Colts can be a pain in the rear!
 

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i have a question.
most people around here like to wait as long as they can to get a horse gelded, why? iv never heard of anyone getting a horse gelded under one, they ushally try to wait till atleast 2 years unless he acts too study... but i do live in a small town with few horse people.
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i have a question.
most people around here like to wait as long as they can to get a horse gelded, why? iv never heard of anyone getting a horse gelded under one, they ushally try to wait till atleast 2 years unless he acts too study... but i do live in a small town with few horse people.
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They might want a shorter gelding? If they're kept a stallion for a long period of time, it stunts their growth. Or they're allowing the body to develop better. My goat breeder would wait until the kids were three months old until he castrated them in order for the urinary tract to better develop. Most goat breeders would get them castrated at less than a week to a month old.
 

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Shandasue and Kayella...not to high jack this thread but

Gelding does not effect a horses growth as much as people think. Gelding before the age of one may allow the horse to become slightly taller because they havent reached their sexual maturity (which signals their hormones to close the growth plates) and as a result the growth plates may stay open a bit longer, thus allowing a bit more growth. It does not make a big difference.
Gelding sooner rather than later is always best because it is cost effective and recovery is much faster in younger babies.

Yadlim...same feeling as a pig lol is right and you have a great vet so it will be a breeze..best of luck.
 

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My yearling is a QH/Appy cross and was a cryptorchid. We had him gelded last April. If you have to have the surgery definately dont let them send him home right away. Mine stayed at the hospital for few days. When they did the surgery a small part of his intestines started to come through the ring where the testicles are suppose to drop through so they had to sew it shut. He has not had any complications from the surgery and heald completely. Cryptochidism can be hereditary. If you have any doubts if your guy is going to drop or not try and find out if any of his line were crypts. I found out after we bought our guy that his father and brothers were crypts. It would have been nice if the breeder disclosed that information when I bought him.
 

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They might want a shorter gelding? If they're kept a stallion for a long period of time, it stunts their growth.
Okay, first of all I'll say I don't have experience with this in horses, but in dogs, castrating before the growth plates have closed means the dog will actually grow more. Castrating and cutting off those hormones before growth plates have closed extends the growing period. This is why I require my puppy people to wait until the dog is at least 18 months before they castrate.

I can't believe that horses would be that different.
 

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My almost two year old had one big one and one small one- my mom made me feel for them.. that was fun hahaha.

Just two weeks ago today ym guy was gelded. The vet did it in the yard, and they leave the incision open to drain. He did not get an infection, and I made sure to lunge him everyday for a week for atleast 15 minutes to avoid becoing stiff, and to allow the incision to continue to drain.

Now all we have to worry about it cleaning his legs off- it hasn't been nice enough to wash him yet. I may grab a sponge though and some warm water to clean him up this weekend.
 

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yeah i never had a prblem with my guy, they put him out in the field, they vet cut him. i asked if i should stall him for a day and the vet said no, the more exercise the better. my guy was perfectly fine from day 1. maybe a little drugged still but certainly not bad. i even video taped the gelding process! and i put it on youtube, if you are interested. lol
 
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