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I figured since I babble so much on several threads, it might just be easier to start a journal. Thanks for reading!

Quick intro/review: This is my 10th season in distance riding. I generally do endurance events (which are sanctioned by AERC), but also do some CTR events (sanctioned by ECTRA).

I am super lucky that my DH also distance rides. Our horses are kept at home and I can ride right off the property. The herd includes:

Dream (Wirtual Dream), 2000 Arabian mare. I started distance riding with her and was spoiled by having a super horse right from the start. She has 2,120 endurance miles and 80 limited distance miles, including 3 one-day 100s, 31 Top Tens, 2 wins, and 6 Best Conditioneds. Sadly, she is now retired due to complications from a trailer accident and Lyme disease that has left her unrideable. :sad:




Phin (AM Bet on Dorsaz), 2008 Arabian gelding. We have just started competing this season (I just got him last year), so far having completed 1 limited distance ride (30 miles) and 1 endurance ride (50 miles), including 1 Top Ten.




Sultan (RA Sultan) is DH's heart horse. They have been doing distance together for 9 years. Sultan (in blue) has 2,040 endurance miles and 140 limited distance miles, including 4 one-day 100s and 14 Top Tens.




George (RA Silbaaddin) is Sultan's 3/4 sibling and they have been together literally their entire lives. When DH went to buy Sultan, he was told it was both or none! Luckily, he picked both. George (in red) has been doing distance for 8 years and has 1555 endurance miles and 55 limited distance miles, including 3 one-day 100s and 17 Top Tens.

 

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This past weekend, DH and I went south to Virginia for the Old Dominion ride. That ride is notorious for heat, humidity, and rocks - it's called the Beast of the East. This year did not disappoint!

We got there Thursday afternoon and I grazed the horses while DH set up the pens. After putting George and Phin into them, I was heading to fill the water buckets while DH was getting the eletric hooked up, when I heard a weird cracking noise in the woods just behind the pens. I swung around to look, saying something to DH. Both horses were on their toes. More cracking noises and the horses are both acting like they would like to leave the premises as I am looking for the creature making the noises. The next instant, a TREE comes crashing down, landing inches from the pens. :eek_color: The poor horses were less than happy, but neither so much as tested the fence!

Nothing else out of the ordinary happened before the ride. The horses vetted in without issue. Phin is still a bit squirmy with strangers touching him, but nothing too bad. And the vets are all sympathetic, so make it a good experience instead of being angry about it.

Saturday morning was fairly comfortable in terms of temps and it wasn't foggy! We were happy to take whatever break we could, knowing the temp was forecast to climb into the 90Fs and get more humid as the day went on. DH and I were riding the same distance but planned to do so separately, as George is generally much faster than Phin. After tacking up, we mounted up and then went our separate ways.




The start was a bit exciting for me, as Phin had never done so before without George or Sultan along. There were also 71 horses starting the ride, so it was quite the crowd! I hung back and let the front runners and most of the pack go before heading out myself. The first loop was 16 miles. Here we are just as we passed the start:




Phin was quite forward and decided that if he couldn't ride with grey horses he knew, then strange grey horses were better than nothing. I was not real pleased with the people we wound up behind, as they tend to ride a yo-yo pace (cantering one moment, walking the next), so I had a heck of a time keeping Phin at the steady trot I wanted. Once we hit the first big climb though, everyone was walking!







After the climb, the people on the greys vanished into the distance, cantering off downhill. Phin really wanted to follow, but I was able to keep him to a trot. The person who had been following us up the climb (a friend), tried to get him to buddy up with her horse, but apparently Phin is color-biased! All the way to the first hold, he just looked for more greys.







When we got to the hold, I had expected to find DH there with George about ready to go back out. Instead, they hadn't even vetted yet! George was being a bit of a pill and had taken some time to calm down and pulse down. Once he saw Phin, he was hollering like a fool so DH had to wait for me to untack before trying to pulse George. Phin was down by the time I had the tack off, so we went and vetted together uneventfully.

Phin did a super job of eating during the hold. After how fussy Dream was about eating, I still can't believe it. Phin will eat basically anything and everything you put in front of him!



to be continued..
 

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part 2:

DH and I decided that since the horses were both there, we would ride the next loop together and see how things went. That loop was 17 miles. We headed out with happy horses and while George had to slow a bit, he didn't seem to mind and wasn't fussy about it.




We had been told the really tough climb had been taken out of this loop due to trail erosion making it dangerous. So we went along, waiting for the trail to deviate from the one we knew. It didn't. We kept thinking the new turn would come any moment. It didn't. Eventually, we were at the bottom of the notorious climb.. surprise! It was in the course after all.







Amazingly, we passed a group of hikers who were trimming trees along the climb. I had to give them massive kudos for their efforts!!










When we reached the summit, we figured we had seen the worst of it. The climb was always very rocky, but didn't seem any worse than previous years. Then, we came to the first downhill. We had caught up with a couple other people (riding experienced horses) and knew something was up when they halted and dismounted. DH did the same when he looked over. When I saw the trail, my stomach sank. The trail had washed out badly around the rocks, leaving scary gaps just asking to trap a foot. Phin has come a long way, but he is still not the most coordinated going downhill over funky terrain. I don't have any pictures because I was too busy trying to help Phin (and myself) navigate the trail. I am happy to report he kept his head and carefully placed one foot at a time. There were shoes and boots all over the place - evidence others had not been so careful. But everyone in our group made it down unscathed and we continued on.




The second hold was a place that crews cannot get to, but there are always volunteers to help. The horses were provided water, hay and a variety of grain and they had water and goodies for us, too. The place is always an oven - never any breeze and the rocks seem to reflect the heat even into the shade. We were not sorry to get back on trail for the next 13 mile section.




to be continued..
 

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part 3

This loop had quite a bit of road, which was a nice change after the horrible rocky sections. The horses perked up and were happy to move along.






Before long, we were in the hold (which was the same place as the first hold). The boys pulsed down right away and vetted through with no issues. I had a few bad moments as Phin didn't want to eat or drink much to start with. I had given him a dose of electrolytes on trail during that loop and he had taken great offense to it. After repeatedly rinsing his mouth out with water and then coaxing him with hand feeding, he took a couple bites and realized I hadn't poisoned him after all. Lesson learned - no elytes on trail for Phin!!




The last loop was a quick 6.5 miles and the horses knew they were going home. We made a point to let them drink their fill at the creeks and do a lot of sponging, not letting any of them hurry home. We crossed the finish line together after an amazing day.





George and Phin passed the final vetting with flying colors, though Phin did show some sensitivity in his girth on the right (so I know I have some tack tweaking to do). That completion means

Phin is officially an endurance horse!!





I couldn't be more pleased with how he handled himself. We tied for 14th and only about 50% of the horses that started, finished.

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That looks like so much fun. I've often toyed with the idea of endurance riding. It just looks like a really great sport. Do you see a lot of breeds out there doing this?
While Arabs are certainly the most common, you do see other breeds competing. If you want to win, you likely need an arab.. but if you just want to ride and enjoy the trails, then most any breed will do. And there are always examples of individual stand-outs among non-arabs (see Sarge below).

Here are some 'alternative breed' horses I have had the pleasure of riding:

Ned, Trakeher/Arab (a decade horse - meaning he has been doing endurance for 10 years straight with the same rider!):



Possum (grey), Morgan/Standardbred and Levi (chestnut), Morgan:



Hollie, TB:



Justice, Morgan:



Shiloh (chestnut), Quarab (also a decade horse and still competing at 23):



Sarge, Morab (a decade horse and he was the national champion 100 mile horse last year):



Fluffy (grey) and Brimstone (bay), 1/2 perch 1/2 arabs:



Duroc, 3/4 TB, 1/4 welsh:



It's also not uncommon to see gaited breeds (around here, tend to be walkers and pasos). I even have a friend who competes on a full perch!
 

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I got Sultan out yesterday for the last training ride before his next competition. The weather was pretty agreeable but the bugs were simply awful, so the Dreaded Fly Bonnet came out. I don't know if they hate it because they know how silly they look (the ears are several inches too long), or just because its something different. I wished I had one for me, as I was being bitten up quite badly.


Brad (who works for my BIL) was out raking hay as we went by:



Everything is so overgrown, which I am sure does not help with the bugs.



Great place to work on de-spooking - the truck and equipment graveyard.



The creek looks refreshing, but it's an old mine outflow so full of sulfur and stinks!




Sultan was very well-behaved with only an occasional evil eyeball at a purple flower (otherwise I would have thought he was ill). He was forward and well within himself, so should be ready for the 75!
 

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Ugh, just got a call from the vet: George has chronic Lyme. His titer was 7200 (and high end of normal is 950). Blast!!

We had thought something was going on as he's been NQR.. so while its good to have a diagnosis, I sure wish it could have been something else! [For those that don't know, my mare Dream has a long, miserable history with Lyme and its resulting issues). Vet will be out shortly to start the oxytet injections. Fingers and toes crossed we can get him feeling better!
 

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Awwww poor George!! Are you going straight to 30 days of oxytet?

Not sure what you feed your horses but before I moved I actually fed Jax a modified version of horsetehs high point ration balancer. I had them add more stuff in it for boosting his immune system to TRY and help fight off Lyme if he got bit :(
We are doing 7 days of oxytet and then 30 days of oral minocyline. If it was still in the acute phase I might have opted for longer IV, but it doesn't seem to help the chronic in quite the same way. Figures.

In terms of diet, we feed Legends Senior as our hard feed, plus unlimited grass hay and pasture. George gets about 1/3 a scoop of hard feed twice daily. We also supplement with a probiotic (we use FasTrack) and a muscle supplement (we use MyoGard) with added vitamin E twice daily. Ironically, I had just ordered a bag of flax seed from our local store to start the competition horses on, so that will be helpful as an immune booster, too (will grind it fresh).

All the horses are lyme vaccinated twice yearly with the Merial canine vaccine, and George's OspA (the vaccination one) showed a nice high number. Current idea among the vets I talked with is that the vaccine kept him from being horrendously sick to start with, but wasn't quite enough to prevent the infection altogether (kind of like the flu vaccine in people sometimes).

Kind of a mixed bag there.. would it have been good to know when he was first infected, as the acute infection (in theory) can be cleared? Maybe.. but sure would have sucked if the acute infection settled in his joints or nervous system before we could get it under control and caused permanent damage. We are hoping that since he has been basically subclinical, the infection will be pushed into remission with just a single treatment course.. but of course Lyme does whatever the h#ll it wants to. Fingers and toes crossed tho.
 

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The spiel from the vaccine people (which I heard because I worked in a small animal clinic) was that the vaccine was about 80% effective. So surely better than nothing, but still not 100%.

Maybe we need to have George pick us some lottery numbers!
 

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One thing I was confused about though is one of my friends vaccinated her already chronic mare? Wouldn't that do more harm then good? Her mare was in remission but I dunno..just seems weird. I guess it could keep her from getting infected again? I know some people have horses that are chronic then get a new acute infection. I don't think I'll ever fully understand how lyme works, its crazy.
The problem is nobody really knows how Lyme works. Just when they think they have it figured out, it does something different. Is that because they never noticed that action before.. or because the spirochete is adapting and changing? If you think its a mess in domestic animals, talk to a person with it.

I chose to vaccinate (including chronic Dream) because of the risk of new infections. The Merial Lyme vaccine is a recombinant subunit vaccine, meaning it should not be able to cause infection outright (unlike modified live ones). Where we live and ride is a tick heaven and I can look out the window and routinely see deer and rabbits and squirrels (who are known to harbor infected ticks).
 

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Phantom: have you tried Vectra on your horse to see if that helps to deter the ticks?
I do use Vectra and it works better than any other topical I have tried! It was the difference between picking off literally 50+ ticks crawling on the horse after a ride and only finding maybe one or two. But while I have never had a tick actually bite any of my dogs while using Vectra, I have still found the occasional embedded tick on the horses.

Nasty things, ticks.
 

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A little over a year ago I got bit by a tick and developed a bulls eye rash and super achy joints. Dr treated for Lyme.
What were you treated with? Doxy? For how long? Did they put you on anything else (western medicine or supplements)?

I find the variety of treatments given to people fascinating. Our farrier is currently battling with Lyme and seeing what he went through to even be diagnosed, forget treatment, was insanity. I hope you have not had any flares since. Did they run titers before and after like we do with the animals?
 

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I almost wish I were on the East coast where Dr's seem to be more aware of it.
If my farrier is any indication, while they may be aware of it.. it still takes an act of God to get someone to diagnose it. Bill (who has been our farrier for years) is the type of guy who never sits still and routinely functioned on 3 hours of sleep, etc.. so for him to be tired and constantly hurting and lacking motivation was out of character. But not only did he have to go to 4 doctors before anybody would listen, at least 2 suggested it was all in his head!!

I don't get why if a test like cornell's multiplex/C6 works so well in horses and dogs, the same can't be done to people. When I worked at a small animal practice, we used to joke about drawing blood from one of us and sending it to be tested, to see what kind of results came back.

Human healthcare sucks.
 

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This past weekend, DH and I trekked to southern Ohio for the Black Sheep Boogie. We had never been to this ride before, but had heard nothing but good things from the friends who had gone. The original plan had been for DH and a friend to ride the 75 on Saturday, then I would ride the 50 on that friend's other horse on Sunday. However, 3 days before we left, the horse I was supposed to ride hurt himself in the pasture so would not be going to the ride. I was bummed.

Thursday was pretty miserable driving down. It rained. Then, it rained hard. Then, it stormed and hailed. I think about 7 hours of the 9 hour trip were wet.




We got lucky that the rain ended for the last part of the trip, which involved driving down some pretty windy, narrow roads to camp. The field we were to camp in was pretty soggy but we got in without issue and set up. Only a handful of other people were there, which surprised us. After getting everything as prepped for the ride as possible, we settled down to watch the next round of storms come in.

(notice the empty buckets):



We didn't have long to wait before it was storming again. We actually knew it was coming before we could even see the clouds, as suddenly the small creek that bordered the pasture we were parked in was raging.. little did we know what was happening about 45 minutes northeast of us.




The runoff easily filled all those empty buckets! The storms finally abated just after dinner.. giving the sun just enough time to heat things up and make it feel like a swamp. Yuck.

Friday was forecast to be sunny, breezy and 85. We woke up to overcast skies and fog.. and weren't we surprised when it started raining about 7am.. and kept raining until just after lunch! Other riders started rolling in and we did not envy them having to set up in the rain. Eventually, rigs had to be dragged to their places with the tractor! We were lucky that the field around us was parked first, so not badly torn up.




The sun came out in full force for the afternoon, making temps climb sharply. Not sure the humidity dropped at all though and it continued to feel like a swamp. Some friends went out for a brief ride and came back to report the trails were a slimy, muddy mess - to the point that one dropped from the 75 to the 50. Oh boy. Got registered and vetted in without incident.

It never really cooled off overnight and was still really humid (meaning foggy) when the 75s started at 6 am. Thirteen brave souls departed camp looking enthusiastic.




The first loop was 13.5 miles. We expected the front runners in about 90 minutes. DH expected to be back in 2-2.5 hours. I got the last of the hold stuff set up, watched the 50s and 25s start, then sat down with the friends also crewing and waited. 90 minutes, no front runners. At about 2 hours, the front runners arrived. DH came in about 30 minutes later. We got Sultan pulsed down and into the vetting with little fuss and a healthy dose of water.




DH said the trail was not only muddy (hardly a surprise), but was also very, very technical. You were either going up or going down with no places you could really make time. That was not how the trails had been described to us, so we figured they were giving them the worst first thing to get it over with before the heat. In no time, the 40 minute hold was done and DH and Sultan were back out for the second loop, this one 25 miles. DH expected it to take about 4 hours.




I passed the time helping anybody who looked like they needed a hand. I didn't know many people at this ride, as it drew people from the mid-west versus the northeast people I tend to know. I got to see some amazing horses and meet some new friends. We got a bit of a break between when the 50s and 25s went out and the 25s finished, so I made sure to have some food myself and top off all the buckets, etc.

We had expected the 25s to start rolling in to the finish about 11.. but none did. Eventually the first one came in about noon.. and the water started flowing. It was hot, still super humid and the sun was blazing with not even a hint of a breeze. About 15 minutes after the winner, another group came in to round out the top 10.. but everyone was having a hard time pulsing down. The bulk of the LDs came in just before cutoff.. giving them very little time to make pulse. I was hearing from everyone that the loop (which was to be the one DH did last) was horrible - muddy and rocky and longer than the 11 miles it was supposed to be. Oh oh.

We expected the front runners of the 75 into the second hold about 11:30.. but they didn't arrive. So we waited.. and waited.. and waited. And I started getting that sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach. The front runners eventually came in about 1:30.. and they didn't have anything nice to say about the trail. DH made it to the hold about 2:30 - a full hour longer than he had expected.

Sultan came in hot, which was no surprise. I had the water and ice ready and he was soon looking like a drowned rat. His pulse was jumping around a bit, but it never occurred to me that was anything other than heat related - it would be at parameter (which was 60 all day), then jump up to 64 or 68 when he moved. Water on, scrape, water on, scrape.. then off to the vetting.

DH brought Sultan back after getting all As and he happily drove into his sloppy food. DH said they needed to go back for a pulse recheck, because he was 60 at the pulse takers but had bounced up to 68 by the time he walked through the ankle deep mud to the vet (who was out in the sun), but then was down to 64 after the trotting. The hold passed quickly, between refilling Sultan's mush and trying to cajole DH into eating. He had nothing nice to say about that loop and was not looking forward to going out and having to do it again!

We got Sultan tacked back up and DH went back to the vet for the pulse check. I followed at a distance, carrying the mounting block. The vet listened, and listened, and listened, and listened. Then he went and got the head vet. Oh oh. She listened. Then she started walking towards her trailer, with DH and Sultan following. Oh oh!

I go across the vetting area (still carting the mounting block) and ask what is going on. DH says heart rate is fine, but vet heard an arrhythmia! Vet gives DH a couple syringes of oral calcium, one for then and the other for 15 minutes later. Then come back for a recheck. We go back to the shade and I pull out the stethoscope (we normally use electronic heart rate monitors). And indeed, I hear it too. Shiitake.

We stand in the shade with a confused horse (he knew he was supposed to be out on trail again), me listening to the arrhythmia normalize after about 8 minutes. DH and I discuss what is going on and the trail conditions and the weather and the time and decide its not worth it. We untack. Sultan is totally back to normal well before the second calcium dose, but we give it anyway and go back to the vet.

The vet is initially concerned seeing us reappear with a naked horse, but she listens and agrees the rhythm is normal. Sultan is cleared to go back out on trail. DH rider options. Ride over.

I spent the rest of the afternoon and evening going between crewing for others and listening to Sultan every 15 minutes or so. He was totally fine from that point onwards and I think was rolling his eyes at my obsessive checking. He was bright-eyed and happy and actually was something of a jerk when out hand grazing. There were lots of other rider options, as that 25 mile loop (which the 50s did too) was just brutal, and everyone had heard from the LDers that the final loop was no better. It was also hot as hell and still humid (someone at the hold said the office weather station said it was 92 with a real feel of 108).

The winner of the 50 came in about an hour before cutoff. I am not sure I have ever been to a ride where so many people - and people known for being fast riders with good, experienced horses - barely made time or didn't make time! It was so bad, the ride manager wound up changing the last loop for the 75s, going out to mark an entirely different trail consisting almost entirely of gravel roads. Otherwise, I am not sure anybody would have made the time on the 75.

The next morning, we got packed up and on the road early. We had heard some rumblings from people coming into camp Friday about bad weather having hit West Virginia.. but we got to see some of it for ourselves. While the interstate (79) was open, the evidence of the mudslides that had it totally closed for a while was still apparent. We passed multiple places where it was clear the hillsides had come down, and in several areas the road crew was still out scraping up mud and trucking it away:




We passed the exit for Clendenin which was blocked by police cars.. which prompted a quick google search as to why:






That certainly put some perspective on our disappointing weekend. :sad:


Big lesson learned this weekend was that electronics are not always your friend. I thought I had done my homework in terms of stethoscope vs electronic monitor by using both at home after training rides to make sure the handheld was getting accurate readings (which is was). [Some horses are never read correctly by such electronics.] It never occurred to me that when his pulse was jumping around, it was actually an arrhythmia that it was picking up, versus a heat reaction. Now I know, if I ever get such erratic readings again, the stethoscope will come out! We could have corrected the problem an hour earlier if I had.
 

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Today, I planned to get Phin out for a quick ride before the bad weather moved in during the afternoon. I wanted to see how the saddle did now that I switched it from long to short billets. I guess I should know better by now to tempt fate in such a way.

Phin was fine to catch, tack up and initially leave the barn. But within a half mile, I knew his brain was elsewhere. He was totally distracted and jumpy, looking at the crops and bugs and sometimes at things I couldn't see. He kept wanting to turn for home, which was a first. I am still not sure if he was reacting to the weather coming in or if he was just having a brainless day.. but we got as far as the outdoor and I decided that was far enough. Time to school.

I am a lazy person. I don't want to be a dressage rider or have to drill a horse. However, I do expect the horses to have some basic manners and at least pretend to be paying attention to me. It took about 45 minutes of work before Phin even came close to settling down, and even then he was far from relaxed. At that point, I could see the ugly clouds starting to gather in the distance, but since Phin was still trying to turn for home, I didn't want to reward him by heading that direction.

We headed out to do the shortest loop I could close to home. He was still jumpy and distracted, but at least had quit trying to turn for home and/or going along like a drunken giraffe.







Once we turned for home, his brain left again. We wound up working circles and figure 8s in one of the hay fields until he found it again, then continued for home. We started getting wet on the way, which set him off again. Maybe his old owner used to run home when it rained? I have no idea, but I was not playing that game. As much as I hate being rained on, I hate a horse thinking it can run home more. We spent a lot of time standing. Then walking 3 steps, then backing up as he tried to jump into a trot, then standing more. By the time we got back to the barn, we were quite wet.

However, I was not going to let him just go into the barn. We worked on turns on the forehand and the haunches. We worked on sidepassing. Then I got off and made him help me gather the stuff that had been drying on the clothes line, then carry it around a while. Eventually we made it into the barn itself.




Phin was only marginally better upon returning to the barn. It was pouring rain by that point, which is quite loud on the metal roof. However, he stands in the stall all the time when it rains, hearing the exact same noise (and George and Dream were both standing in stalls, watching it rain). So, we spent a lot of time standing in the aisle, remembering what it means to stand still.

My quick ride (of a whole 8 miles) wound up taking almost 4 hours!! :icon_rolleyes:
 

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I got Phin out for another ride today. I suspected things were not going to go well when it took me 10 minutes to catch him.. something that hasn't happened since he first arrived. He certainly looked lovely, with a big floaty trot and his tail up over his butt doing big circles around me. :icon_rolleyes: Dream and George, who were in another part of the field, looked like they were watching a tennis match, with their heads going back and forth watching him go.

Once his self-imposed warmup was done, he came into the barn quietly and stood like an angel to be tacked. Once I was on, he was up and ready to go. He was eyeballing everything and nothing from the start, so we went down the trail practicing shoulder in and leg yields. Since there weren't storms coming in, I headed for the Sugarloaf, figuring he would eventually find his brain if we climbed enough.

No brain here..




Or here..




ooo, maybe here?



Hmm, almost but not quite. So we went to climb the Tomhicken and.. we found it!




But then when we turned for home, it left again. So, instead of going home, we practiced standing beside the things we were using as an excuse to spook and scoot into a canter for home. Keith had the hay fans - aka Horse Eating Monsters - going, so we enjoyed watching them until he stood and relaxed.


Eventually his brain came back (or else he realized I intended to make him stand by things all day) and we were able to make our way home.




I think Phin's real issue is he is entirely too fit for his own good. Nothing he is doing is mean or intended to get me off, he is just feeling good and bored (the downside to trails right off the property).

As an aside, this was the second ride with the saddle using the short billets and the thin fleece regular length girth. (I had been using the long billets and a dressage-length girth, also fleece but fairly thick.. and he was very girthy by the end of the 50 we just did.) I didn't think the last ride gave me a very good test since he was so silly.. and while he was also silly this ride, he did move out and do a lot of climbing. I didn't feel unstable in the saddle, but when I untacked, he had 2 small swellings about a hand width behind both elbows. They weren't sensitive, but they sure weren't there when we started. Blast.

My next step will be to tighten the girth another hole and see if it being relatively loose is the issue. Fingers crossed that does the trick because I really don't want to have to buy different girths, and I love being able to throw these fleeces ones in the washing machine to clean them!


11.59 miles, 2410 ft climb, 4.7 mph, 80F
 

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i'm curious, what is your average mph training time and average mph race time? i know there are a lot of variable such as the terrible weather & trails from the weekend but 1/2 curious about the potential of my wife's horse for some LD's at some point
In general, our training rides are 5-8mph overall. Because of the trails I have access too, its hard for me to really crank up the pace unless I want to literally circle the same field over and over and over. However, I have always been taught that climbing can compensate for speed work (within reason of course), and seeing as I have no plans to race Phin any time soon, I haven't worried too much about speed training.

Phin has done 3 competition rides so far. The first one had 589 feet of climb over 51.76 miles (so very flat). It was 73F and humid and his average pace was 7.3 mph. The next one had 4179 feet of climb over 30 miles (not flat). It was 64F and not all that humid and his average pace was 6.5 mph. This last one had 7083 feet of climb over 51.89 miles (not flat). It was 94F and humid and his average pace was 5.9 mph.

If your wife is out doing 10-15 miles and spending most of the time trotting (or gaiting) with some walking and maybe some canter, then chances are your pace is fine for an LD. You have 6 hours to complete the 25 miles and most of the time have a 45-60 minute hold. That leaves you roughly 5 hours to ride 25 miles. However, because you know things like stopping to drink will happen, generally minimum overall pace needs to be about 6 mph.
 

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The holiday weekend was not quite what I had hoped for.

On Friday, I got home in the afternoon and went out to put some stuff in the tack room away. The horses were standing in the stalls, so I grabbed a cookie for each of them. As I fed Phin, I did a double take - one of his legs was blown up! :eek_color: I went into the stall to investigate and the instant I touched that leg, he yanked it away, hopped backwards and went trotting out into the paddock.. grade 3 lame. Shiitake!! :dance-smiley05:






I took pics and texted then to my vet, then brought him into the barn to investigate further. The leg was hot to the touch and the soft swelling was obviously uncomfortable. I couldn't tell if soft tissue at the back of the cannon was involved for sure, but he was sound at the walk which generally is not the case if tendons or ligaments are involved. He reacted the worst if I tried to touch the inside of the cannon. There was no digital pulse and his systemic temperature was normal.

The dink on the inside of that leg had happened 2 weeks ago at the OD. It was mildly sore the afternoon it happened, then had been fine since. However, unlike a normal interference mark, it had a lump under it the entire time. It was located low on the splint bone, so I figured it was just going to be an unsightly blemish when it finished healing. Since it wasn't bothering him, I did my best to ignore it.

Heard back from my vet, who suggested cold therapy overnight and reassess in the morning. I got out an ice boot and Phin was very good about standing with it on (not sure if he's ever had such a thing on before). After the ice, I applied witch hazel and gave him some arnica tablets in a carrot. We shut everyone into the catch paddock in the hopes of keeping him mobile but not giving him a ton of space to rip around in. They were highly insulted. I did a 20 minute session of cold hosing and another round of witch hazel and arnica before going to bed.

In the morning, the swelling was down slightly. It was still very hot and tender on the inside of the leg, but the back had lessened to the point I was sure it was not a soft tissue injury. Another session in the ice boot and another application of witch hazel. His systemic temp was still normal and he was acting fine. Everyone stayed in jail for the day.

I spoke with my vet again and she agreed that the dink seemed to be the issue. I was hoping he had just whacked himself again on our ride (since he was quite silly).. but I was worried that the dink was actually a sequestrum (where a bone chip breaks loose and abscesses). Those almost always require surgical removal. Only one way to know for sure, so made an appointment with the vet for x-rays for the following morning. I continued with the cold therapy and witch hazel.


On Sunday, the swelling was again down a bit, remaining only on the inside of the cannon. There was also a small amount of discharge from the dink! I was pleased to see that, hoping it meant whatever was going on had opened up. He was still acting totally normal and had no fever. When the vet came, he was only slightly off even trotting on the driveway. But the x-rays would tell the tale.




Phin was super about standing for the films - didn't need any sedation at all! The vet left me with some antibiotics (oral TMZ which I started right away) and said she would call with the results of the rads.

Luckily I didn't have to wait very long before I heard back - NO sequestrum!! :happydance::clap: :happydance:

Vet thought bone bruise was most likely, so would start with 10 days of antibiotics and the reassess. HUGE relief.

Today, the swelling on the inside of the cannon is slightly smaller, the heat is gone, and he didn't object to my handling it! I still cold hosed it a couple times, likely more to make myself feel better than anything. Needless to say, I didn't do any of the riding with him I had planned for the weekend. :icon_rolleyes:

But on a good note, I am so thankful to have horses that are not reactive to fireworks. Because of our location, we can see for miles around and its not uncommon for 4 different displays to be happening at once. It's actually funny to see the horses watching the fireworks just like DH and I do!

 

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My new mare was a basket case so I stood by her stall run while she paced and worked herself into a sweat while the neighbors shot fireworks off into my pasture (not happy about that at all!)
Wow, that is really obnoxious of your neighbor!! I assume this is not someone you have a very good relationship with? I would have been calling the cops. :x I had a dog who was massively noise-phobic, so I am all too aware of how awful this time of year can be (and you can at least drug a dog to sleep.. not really an option for a horse).


You have mentioned several technical terms I was not familiar with so need to educate myself a bit.
Thanks for the kind words - I have always enjoyed writing (and talking, as anybody who has met me irl can attest to :wink:). I am sorry to be throwing technical terms around.. what one(s) did you not recognize? Hopefully, I can explain it and save you some googling.
 

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I got Sultan out for his last ride before Vermont. It was 83F with 92% humidity when I left the barn and by the time I returned, the humidity was 'down' to 89% and the real feel was 101F. Heat training anyone? :icon_rolleyes: [Our normal temp for this time of year is 81F.]

Thank goodness Sultan was wonderful, as I didn't want to be out there any longer than necessary. Apparently he felt the same way!

the potato plants are in full bloom:






the corn is loving this heat:


14.6 miles, 1852 feet of climb, 5.9 mph average


George and Phin continue with their meds and seem to be doing well. Phin's dink still looks lumpy, but I am suspecting maybe it always will. The swelling continues to decrease slowly. At least with the weather being so extreme, I am not itching to do more riding.
 
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