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Someone who is experienced with robbing and has a better shot than you do. They could also easily shoot you from a distance with you not even realizing they were around. If everyone had a gun, everyone would be dangerous. It would be similar to the situation with nuclear weapons, everyone would be tense and waiting for a trigger to be pulled so they could kill someone without thinking.
 

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Someone who is experienced with robbing and has a better shot than you do. They could also easily shoot you from a distance with you not even realizing they were around. If everyone had a gun, everyone would be dangerous. It would be similar to the situation with nuclear weapons, everyone would be tense and waiting for a trigger to be pulled so they could kill someone without thinking.
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Someone who is experienced with robbing and has a better shot than you do. They could also easily shoot you from a distance with you not even realizing they were around. If everyone had a gun, everyone would be dangerous. It would be similar to the situation with nuclear weapons, everyone would be tense and waiting for a trigger to be pulled so they could kill someone without thinking.

That's not what happens in reality. When some lazy scumball realizes that you are not a push over he moves on to other prey. I don't think everyone should have a gun. Only the people that can be comfortable and skilled in the use of a gun should have one. There is evil in the world and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it. I don't just carry on the trail I carry when I go to the store or to pick my kids up from school or to go with my wife to the mall. You never know when you will need it. I stay alert and pay attention to the things around me and try to stay out of bad situations but if a situation develops that needs me to take action then I want to be prepared mentally and physically. I don't want to get in a fist fight with some AIDS infected druggie and I certainly can't ask him to wait ten minutes for the cops to show up. If you want to depend on the morals of other people to keep you safe then go ahead but don't try to take away my right to depend on myself to stay safe. The cops are not going to keep you safe they will just catch the guy(maybe) that commits a crime against you. I would not shoot someone to defend personal property outside my home and I would probably give up my wallet if I thought it would end the situation but if I have an incling that physical harm is going to befall my loved ones or myself I will not hesitate to use whatever force is necessary to prevent it.
 

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That's not what happens in reality. When some lazy scumball realizes that you are not a push over he moves on to other prey. I don't think everyone should have a gun. Only the people that can be comfortable and skilled in the use of a gun should have one. There is evil in the world and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it. I don't just carry on the trail I carry when I go to the store or to pick my kids up from school or to go with my wife to the mall. You never know when you will need it. I stay alert and pay attention to the things around me and try to stay out of bad situations but if a situation develops that needs me to take action then I want to be prepared mentally and physically. I don't want to get in a fist fight with some AIDS infected druggie and I certainly can't ask him to wait ten minutes for the cops to show up. If you want to depend on the morals of other people to keep you safe then go ahead but don't try to take away my right to depend on myself to stay safe. The cops are not going to keep you safe they will just catch the guy(maybe) that commits a crime against you. I would not shoot someone to defend personal property outside my home and I would probably give up my wallet if I thought it would end the situation but if I have an incling that physical harm is going to befall my loved ones or myself I will not hesitate to use whatever force is necessary to prevent it.
A hearty rant indeed, but I was discussing the issue of everyone having a gun. I believe that those who are truly qualified to carry one should be allowed to do so, but not everyone. Let's list the things you assumed with no factual evidence, shall we?
-"You never know when you will need it. " Yes, I do actually. I am fully aware of situations where a gun may be necessary and when it isn't.

-"If you want to depend on the morals of other people to keep you safe then go ahead" Nowhere in my statement did I say I would depend on other's morals to keep me safe. I would certainly not depend on another person's morals, I would depend on myself.

-"don't try to take away my right to depend on myself to stay safe" Oh, let me just call up the president and tell him to take away kevinshorse's guns because I said not everyone should have a gun. *eyeroll*

-"The cops are not going to keep you safe they will just catch the guy(maybe) that commits a crime against you" I also know the effectiveness of cops. Again, I would depend on myself rather than a cop who may not arrive in time, be that my escape or injuring the criminal via gun, pepper spray etc.

Perhaps I am nit picking, but I find it disconcerting to see a gun carrier picking up on things that are not true and clouding them with their own opinions.
 

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<sigh> Get your permit. I'm sooooo envious. These freakin' city-slicker gun control advocates up here drive me bonkers. I wish I would be able to carry a gun. Even GETTING a handgun here is a pain in the butt. You have to be a member of a gun club, or a collector. You can't just have one because you want one, or because you live in the bush. There is supposedly a concealed permit available in Canada, but one has NEVER BEEN ISSUED to a civilian.

Go get your permit because YOU CAN!
 

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Sometimes wearing guns is more about the costume than it is about every really using them. This fellow loves to dress the part. And it doesn't matter if its a 2 hour ride or The Chief Joseph week long ride, He dresses the part of an old west cowboy.

 

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Painted, where are you from? I'm from Joseph Oregon (live elsewhere now) but love getting back for Chief Joseph Days.
 

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I'm in Northern Utah, I've never made it up to the Chief Joseph ride, No Appoloosa in my herd. But my friend in the photo goes every year. But he is retired and has the time.

A hunter discovered a large field of marijuana growing in this area last fall. Turns out 4 illegal mecicans were camped in the field taking care of it and guarding it. My neighbor works for the FBI, he said they went in and pulled out over 1400 plants.

I don't know. But I suspect that those illegal mexicans don't really have a lot to loose and would rather fight than loose their crop or go to jail. An army of 20 FBI agents probably will send them running. A couple of people out riding their horses on a Saturday afternoon. Who knows what would have happened..

Others have mentioned Meth labs, in our area it seems every summer they find 4-8 of these marijuana farms. That's enough of a reason for me to pack my gun


 

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A hearty rant indeed, but I was discussing the issue of everyone having a gun. I believe that those who are truly qualified to carry one should be allowed to do so, but not everyone. Let's list the things you assumed with no factual evidence, shall we?
-"You never know when you will need it. " Yes, I do actually. I am fully aware of situations where a gun may be necessary and when it isn't.

Are you a super hero? You must at least be physcic if you know were a crime will be commited. The fact is you don't know when you might need to defend yourself. Anybody with one good eye and one good hand can be qualified to use a firearm. Since it is a right granted by our constitution nobody should have to be qualified. Being an american should be qualification enough.

-"If you want to depend on the morals of other people to keep you safe then go ahead" Nowhere in my statement did I say I would depend on other's morals to keep me safe. I would certainly not depend on another person's morals, I would depend on myself.

You may depend on yourself but have you given yourself the tools to save your own life? How big of a man would it take to overpower you? If you can't effectively defend yourself then you are depending on other people to not attack you.



Perhaps I am nit picking, but I find it disconcerting to see a gun carrier picking up on things that are not true and clouding them with their own opinions.

I have not said anything that is untrue. Most of what I said was my opinion and the rest of it was fact. If you are scared of guns or think they cause crime then fine don't be around them. I have mine and if the situation ever presented I would use it to the best of my ability to defend you. I truely hope that it I never point a firearm at another human being.
Sorry about veering off topic. I am done with the arguement but I needed to clarify a few things.
 

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Sorry about veering off topic. I am done with the arguement but I needed to clarify a few things.
to quote myself: I believe that those who are truly qualified to carry one should be allowed to do so, but not everyone.

Clarified.
 

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to quote myself: I believe that those who are truly qualified to carry one should be allowed to do so, but not everyone.

Clarified.

The only American who should not be allowed to carry a gun is a Felon they have given up that right. However every other American is qualified. Now I do believe they should have to do what every state requires and that is to take the CCW coarse. That way they know the laws and they have some idea of how to use a gun and are not just going out and buying one and then carrying it.
 

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I've had a CWP in the three states I've lived in (NY, PA, and SC) since 1970. I am never without my gun and 99% of the people who know me never know I have it. It's nothing I talk about but comforting to know it's there. I've actually had to draw it twice, which doesn't seem like a lot over 40 years but it served the purpose and prevented a problem at the time.

I have it on the trail and, again, none of my riding partners are aware of it. If I had to ride in the areas that Painted Horse goes, there would never be a question about having one handy.
 

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We don't have dingoes where I live - And they wouldn't attack a horse anyway.

You couldn't pay me to carry a gun. I couldn't shoot anything anyway, plus I would be nervous the whole time I was carrying it. Everyone having a gun isn't just logistically hard, but there are a lot of people who don't want one!
 

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Ummm... shooting around a meth lab is a REALLY bad idea.
ah ha, but what happens when you/i/anyone comes across the psycho meth head who doesn't care WHO you are or WHY you're near their stash, and is behemothly determined to keep their operation "safe?" i would say that i wouldn't be too worried about things going "boom" at that point...

If everyone had a gun, everyone would be dangerous.

quite incorrect. ever heard the philosophy that "an armed society is a polite society"? it is very true. in the theoretical situation that EVERYONE, criminals/felons/etc were armed, willing, and able/trained to use their arms, there would be practically NO crime because all would know that their neighbor was armed and ready to end their life. criminals tend to prey on whom they believe will be WEAK, and are generally surprised when they encounter an armed citizen.

and another question, what designated "truly qualified"? am i "truly qualified" as a veteran? no, i learned to shoot handguns outside the military, and knew how to shoot already. many cops ONLY qualify as required, which is NOT enough trigger time to be "qualified." it's a mindset, and shooting is a perishable skill. all who carry guns daily MUST practice to be PREPARED. simple as that. the swiss are a good model of that as a nation...

<sigh> Get your permit. I'm sooooo envious. These freakin' city-slicker gun control advocates up here drive me bonkers. I wish I would be able to carry a gun. Even GETTING a handgun here is a pain in the butt. You have to be a member of a gun club, or a collector. You can't just have one because you want one, or because you live in the bush. There is supposedly a concealed permit available in Canada, but one has NEVER BEEN ISSUED to a civilian.

Go get your permit because YOU CAN!
so true! if you live in a gun friendly state that had "shall issue" permitting, why would you NOT? it's a large part of the reason why i drug my wife out of NYS, their insanely foolish "pistol permits" required simply to PURCHASE handgun, much less the corruption in the system to carry the **** thing.

I'm too young to carry a gun as of now, but as soon as I am old enough I will have one. We have had issues with break-ins in my hometown, and I don't trust to many people if I am by myself. I have pepper spray and 3 knives for now...lol. I'm thinking about getting a taser at some point.

I think that everyone should have a gun. There would be a lower crime rate. Who wants to rob you when they know you probably have a gun and know how to use it?
spray is a good option. i DO carry both a can of fox labs spray and my gun. having options is good. however, i would suggest sticking with spray due to some of the controversy over tasers...

and there's a reason why in EVERY state that passes a CCW law, or laxes silly gun laws, there's a DROP in crime even when many of the anti gun city folk (usually) start screaming how there will be blood in the streets...
 
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