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So I have a friend who has been learning how to do basic english riding and jumping from me. When we started out I could get her to do flat work and everything. Now when I ask her to do dressage instead of flat work she simply refuses and runs away. (litteraly runs away on the horse!!!) what should I do? I've explained that its basically the same thing and now I can't even get her to do flat work all she wants to do is jump. I have said that jumping is only dressage with jump in the way, and to jump a course you need to be able to do dressage. Does anyone have any teqniques? If so share? She could be a good rider if she tried. She will only pay attention to me when im asking her to jump and do courses.
 

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hmmm thats hard... maybe (when on foot) try to explain to her how important it is and that the jumping will get out of control and her or her horse could get seriously hurt (a little exagerated...but maybe thats what it takes to get her to listen)
 

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hmmm thats hard... maybe (when on foot) try to explain to her how important it is and that the jumping will get out of control and her or her horse could get seriously hurt (a little exagerated...but maybe thats what it takes to get her to listen)
hmm well ill give that a try!
 

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Is she riding your horse? Or is she riding someone elses? That would be simple. if she doesn't listen don't let her ride. If she's on her own her wait for her to fall on her face a time or two and then she should be ready to listen. :eek:)
 

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^^Agreed.
If you're giving her lessons, she should respect what you're teaching her.
If she doesn't want to do (or at least try) what you say, she should pack up and get lessons elsewhere.
 

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I agree, its also very unsafe that she is running away on the horse! If shes only learning she could easily get hurt, before she starts riding explain to her. No Dressage. No Riding. Be stronge and don't give in.
 

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Sometimes she's riding my horse other times she's riding her own. Most of the time she rides my horse. I have let her fall off before but she still wont listen.
 

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How old are you?
How old is she?
How many other students do you have?

To me it sounds like a lack of respect and that she needs to get a different coach! She either needs someone whom she respects or that will let her do whatever she wants and blow smoke.

Good luck!
 

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How old are you?
How old is she?
How many other students do you have?

To me it sounds like a lack of respect and that she needs to get a different coach! She either needs someone whom she respects or that will let her do whatever she wants and blow smoke.

Good luck!
She used to respect me and now she doesn't
 

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This is the exact reason why I would never teach people in my family (such as a daughter, if I had one) or close friends. When you know somebody already, you already know the boundries you can cross with them. This usually doesn't happen with outside sources.

Take her out for lunch, or request a meeting. Lay out the facts, tell her how you feel about everything, and give her some options. Highlight the fact that she's being incredibly disrespectful to not only you, but also the horses she rides.
If she decides to continue her behaviour or walk away, well, she isn't worth keeping around, is she?

I've worked with my sister in a riding program, and we've had to do this. Most of the time, they'll understand. Again, if she doesn't listen, give her the boot.
 

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There was a time when "dressage" was elitist. Lots of us learned to ride the flat because it was in between the jumps. . . I don't think dressage as it is often interpreted is the be-all: now, I absolutely love dressage, and I don't jump at all any more, but I can remember when riding wasn't riding without a jump somewhere. I can remember when we didn't collect our horses except on tight corners. We rode forward seat, and let the horse move in a long, natural manner. In those tight corners, though, hm, we learned about leg-yielding, balancing, shortening the stride, all interesting things that you MIGHT call dressage.

Anyway, while her disrespect is unacceptable, I think you might go easy on the Must Do Dressage routine.
 

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if she is riding YOUR horse most of the time and she falls and has a serious injury (even if it her fault) you could be liable because it is YOUR horse she is riding, not her own, if she refuses to be safe, you should either have her sign a contract that you are not to be responsible for the consequences of a fall due to the rider's (her) actions on YOUR horse, or you should tell her if she is to ride YOUR horse she darn well better listen, because YOU should not have to be responsible for her silliness.

Tell us what happens :) and good luck!

~AL615

ps- Oh! and it is also not safe for your horse to just jump without proper warmups or a good base in dressage, because that is how the horse remains balanced and able to jump without mistakes, why risk your horse's safety because she refuses to listen to your advice when you are her instructor?
 

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if she is riding YOUR horse most of the time and she falls and has a serious injury (even if it her fault) you could be liable because it is YOUR horse she is riding, not her own, if she refuses to be safe, you should either have her sign a contract that you are not to be responsible for the consequences of a fall due to the rider's (her) actions on YOUR horse, or you should tell her if she is to ride YOUR horse she darn well better listen, because YOU should not have to be responsible for her silliness.

Tell us what happens :) and good luck!

~AL615

ps- Oh! and it is also not safe for your horse to just jump without proper warmups or a good base in dressage, because that is how the horse remains balanced and able to jump without mistakes, why risk your horse's safety because she refuses to listen to your advice when you are her instructor?
She's signed a waver, so were good there, she did give proper warmup its just then we get into me asking her to do things.
 

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ahh! I see, well, if it is your horse she is riding, you have the right to tell her to stop being silly about not getting a proper foundation for jumping if you want to then. and if she doesn't care to listen you might have to give the ultimatum, if she doesn't want to listen you cannot teach her any longer unfortunately. is she a close friend and that is why the situation is a tense one? I can see your dilemma i she was. :(

~AL615
 
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