[Tha Horse Slave]

I hope someone can help me. The horses next door belong to a collector. There are about 10 or so in the feild next door. They have had NO hay this winter and the hay that the owners did put up is molded because they put it up wet! I have called the local Sheriffs office and complained and they told me two weeks ago they would check on them. I have yet to see them show up. Our County doesn't have a humane society either. The horses have no shelter to get in out of the wind or rain and snow and we still have a lot of winter ahead of us. I want to remain annonomous due to the fact that I don't want any retalliation from them towards my horses. Is there anyone out there that can point me in the right direction for finding these horses some help before they start looking too thin and suffer more!! :-x I am located in Southeastern Ohio.

 

[Speed Racer]

What are your state and local laws concerning shelter? If you don't know that, you need to find out before you start trying to contact authorities.

Many states don't require shelter for horses as long as they have food and water.

Either they have NO hay or the hay they have, according to you, is moldy. So which is it concerning the hay? None, or moldy?

How do you know for certain the hay is moldy? Did you actually see your neighbors cut and put it up? Or is that what you heard from someone else?

How do you know the Sheriff hasn't been out there? Are you home all day to watch the comings and goings of everyone?

If the horses really are in danger of starvation then I hope someone can do something. If they're just not being kept to your personal satisfaction however, that's another thing entirely.

 

[sillybunny11486]

Can you phone another humane society to see what they suggest? Or call a local rescue and talk to them about it?

 

[Tha Horse Slave]

What are your state and local laws concerning shelter? If you don't know that, you need to find out before you start trying to contact authorities.

Many states don't require shelter for horses as long as they have food and water. I think Ohio doesn't require a shelter. They have a barn but can't get in it because of the gates across the doors!

Either they have NO hay or the hay they have, according to you, is moldy. So which is it concerning the hay? None, or moldy? The hay they have IS moldy. I watched it the square bales get soaked in the rain and the NEXT day they put them in the barn. They have NOT been fed any hay so far this year! They push on the fence and try to get in with my horses when I feed a round bale. They are Hungry!

How do you know for certain the hay is moldy? Did you actually see your neighbors cut and put it up? Or is that what you heard from someone else? I was raised on a farm and we bale our own hay, I know how and why it molds and mildews. I can look out my window and see their entire property. I know that if you put wet hay into a barn not only do you risk fire from combustion you also risk spoilage!

How do you know the Sheriff hasn't been out there? Are you home all day to watch the comings and goings of everyone? I am a stay at home mom now and have other neighbors who keep an eye on their place because of other "questionable" activities. I can see what goes on because I overlook their farm.

If the horses really are in danger of starvation then I hope someone can do something. If they're just not being kept to your personal satisfaction however, that's another thing entirely.

No they are NOT up to my level of "personnal" satisfaction! My horses are all in turn out blankets and brought in every night to a fresh stall! I'm not saying every one should do this but I would like some information on how to help get the ball rolling and not watch these animals starve away all winter. There is currently 4+ inches of snow on the ground and they are eating dried up weeds! You can see spines and ribs on some of them already. I really don't want to look at dead horses come spring!

 

[Speed Racer]

Your first step is to find out just what the law states concerning horses in your state and county. Until you do that, you're just barking blindly at the moon.

I admire the fact that you want to help, but you can't go off half cocked and hysterical. That will only turn off the authorities, not get their sympathies.

Research your laws concerning the care and keeping of horses in your area. Once you have that information, you can go to the authorities and present your concerns.

What plans do YOU have for these horses that you want to help? Rescues are full to bursting and can't take any more on. Are you willing and able to house and feed these animals, or do you just expect
'the authorities' to do it?

There may NOT be any place for these horses to go, even if it's determined that they're not being properly cared for. That's the unfortunate truth in this economy.

If your neighbors' hands are forced, the animals might even go to auction. I'm sure that's not what anyone wants to happen, but without the means to feed and care for them properly and the rescues unable to help, they may have no other choice.

Living there, you have to know that Ohio is a very depressed state and was that way long before the economy tanked.

Screeching at me because I'm asking you to think logically and do your research before you contact authorities, doesn't make you look very rational.

Trust me, the authorities are going to see you as just another hysterical 'animal rights nut' who expects SOMETHING TO BE DONE without offering any actual solutions, unless you can argue rationally and cite laws and statutes.

 

[danastark]

Keep trying. Sometimes it takes multiple calls or have other people call also. When you do call, get names, if the person you're talking to can't help you, ask to speak to their supervisor and just keep going up the chain until you get to someone who can. In CA I know the animal rescue people are very busy and sometimes it requires more effort on my part. If you are sure these horses are being neglected, can't get a response from your closest humane society/animal control people, call your local radio/TV station and see if you can get them involved. As Speed Racer said though, have all your facts straight and be calm but serious about the situation.

 

[rissaxbmth]

I live in Ohio too and the authorities here don't really care about the animals to be honest. I'd help you if I could. Is there any way you can take pictures of the farm? It would help us see the situation and you can get an opinion of a professional either online or near you. If your neighbors are concerned to then have them file a complaint too. The police will maybe come to their senses if there is more than one complaint.

 

[themacpack]

Rissa - it likely has more to do with having their hands tied legally than not caring. The minimum care required in some localities is far below what many consider "proper" care.....so while a horse lover might look at the situation and see rampant abuse, the authorities must look at it from the legal standpoint and if the owner is meeting the bare minimum required, there is nothing they CAN do.
As for snapping pictures of someone's property - not the best advice and not the place of anyone but the authorities. Snapping and then posting them on the internet, even less of a good idea.

 

[GoldRush]

If you called the sheriff's office about it, then call again, and keep calling until you get answers. I'm going to be real honest here, so be forewarned...
It sounds like you are in your teens (?) If so, they may not take you seriously. Have one of your parents call, and make an official report. Have them call to follow up.
In this type of situation, you have to follow your head, not your heart/emotions. Is the hay they are getting really bad? Not "is it what YOU would feed".
Is their situation really bad? NOT "Is this how I would keep MY horses?"

 

[Solon]

If you called the sheriff's office about it, then call again, and keep calling until you get answers. I'm going to be real honest here, so be forewarned...
It sounds like you are in your teens (?) If so, they may not take you seriously. Have one of your parents call, and make an official report. Have them call to follow up.
In this type of situation, you have to follow your head, not your heart/emotions. Is the hay they are getting really bad? Not "is it what YOU would feed".
Is their situation really bad? NOT "Is this how I would keep MY horses?"

Agreed. Just because they don't have the same high standards that you do doesn't necessarily mean they are not taking care of their horses. Have you actually talked to them about your concerns for their horses?

 

[kevinshorses]

If you can't get anyone to help then open your own wallet and buy some hay for them. If you need to tell the owner a story about how the hay needed to be moved and it was free to you. If it is that desperate of a situation then that is one solution. If it was me I would knock on the door and ask the owner why he was starving the horses but I tend to be straight forward.

 

[Solon]

Exactly Kevin. I can't name how many friends of mine have been turned in for horse abuse when it actually has turned out the horse had health problems.

Not saying that is the case here, but it's worth walking up and asking them rather than go behind their back and call the po-po out on them.

 

[jimmy]

yeh throw a bit of hay over to them,

 

[rissaxbmth]

Rissa - it likely has more to do with having their hands tied legally than not caring. The minimum care required in some localities is far below what many consider "proper" care.....so while a horse lover might look at the situation and see rampant abuse, the authorities must look at it from the legal standpoint and if the owner is meeting the bare minimum required, there is nothing they CAN do.
As for snapping pictures of someone's property - not the best advice and not the place of anyone but the authorities. Snapping and then posting them on the internet, even less of a good idea.

Yeah thats true
Sorry I wasn't thinking