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Hi please excuse the spelling.
I am a western rider. i ride in a 15 inch seat and a half quarter horse saddle with a thick pad. i am 4ft 8in and weigh 125 lb. My horse is gaining weight. i would like to know how to tell if the saddle is too small for him? i haven't yet figured out how to post pic so no pics. he is in a western bridle. the bit is a standard bar bit with a low port. the sides of the bit where it connects to the bridle are turning into his cheek. im asking if its too tight when its like that or not? also is there a type of boot that can be used for jumping and western? also what kind of boot would help stop his lower legs getting bruised when lunging. his feet don't smack or anything like that? his lower legs just keep hitting the metal mesh that covers the arena. any ideas. also if there a cheap or cheaper way to teach a horse to lunge and respond to the riders hands with out being on his back or using a cavesson training system? i just changed his bit to J.W.P sadebrush series.
 

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If the saddle is too small it will pinch his back and be extremely uncomfortable and he will not be able to tell you that. You should get a saddle fitter as soon as possible that is a very important aspect of riding your horse because you don't want a grumpy horse who hates riding because his back hurts. As for the lunging thing, if your horses legs are getting scraped maybe it's not a good idea to lunge him where he is consistently getting hurt because he will begin to associate that location and lunging with pain. Lunging is a good tool but you shouldn't overuse it or use it if you don't know how to properly. Any sort of SMB or splint boot should be good for jumping and general riding but you need to learn how to properly put them on or you could create serious damage to your horses legs because there are so many tendons and muscles that can be damaged in that area. Also I wanted to mention that it's not the best idea to try and jump your horse is you aren't sure how and don't have an english saddle. As far as the bit goes, ask yourself if he really needs anything more than a snaffle, if he does it's time to go bit shopping for something that will fit him right and not cause discomfort. But if there isn't a problem don't try to fix it and just stick with a snaffle.
 

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i already had a fitter out it will work entell he gains 40lbs. i only got the other snaffle because the one i had was very rusted. he is wearing splint boots right now and i have polos. i do put them on correctly. only said that to see if something would be better than what he is wearing currently. if there is please tell me. never have put on the polos though or now how to put them on so.
 

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I am not really sure what the actual question is, but if you are lunging and the horse hits his legs on the pen, then lunge on a shorter line.

Sorry, I do not know if a cavesson would help anything.

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Is there a cheap or cheaper way to teach a horse to lunge and respond to the riders hands with out being on his back or using a cavesson training system?
 

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There is no cheap way to train a horse if you don't have the experience. No equipment will do the job for you.You clearly need a trainer to help you. An experienced person can train a horse without nothing at all.
 

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I cannot picture what type of area you are lunging in that would bruise your horses legs and you KNOW IT! I would not do that! Nothing more than a halter and rope is needed to lunge if you know how. That is the key, and not something that can just be explained over the internet.

Haha-we posted at the same time Saranda…..
 

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ok but i was meaning in the way if i were to have someone else train him with me if it would be wise to buy one with my sisuation?
 

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If you have someone else train him (and you, I would suggest) the will have their own preference, and probably something they will use.
 

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ummm i have a friend that has taken care of horses at a farm since she was 5. she said she would help me if i had all the equipment thats why im asking. she is 34 now.
 

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With a western saddle there are several areas to look at: the width of the tree, is it full quarter horse bars, or partial quarter horse bars. How much withers does your horse have, what kind of saddle pad are you using, is it a thick pad, a cutback, a cutback built up. The pommel of the saddle should not touch the withers, you should be able to put your hand with the little finger on his withers and have space enough for your other three fingers between it and your saddle. Do you have someone who can look at where the saddle sits when you are in the saddle? As I said you do not want the saddle to touch the withers.
Another thing to look at how is the saddle rigged, is it a full rigging, a 3/4 rigging, a centerfire, all of these will make a difference and it is based on your horses confirmation.
As for lunging a horse, nothing will take the place of your hands on the reins. On a western horse you do not use a cavason the best tool is collection and that you can only accomplish with your legs on his back. As for a bit, I use a low port sweet mouth usually with a copper roller or spoon. Stay away from aluminum bits if you can, they will cut a horses mouth quicker then a spade bit. The average horse needs a 5 inch bit. If he is a large horse and by that I mean really stocky, 16 hands a big horse, then you might need a 5 1/2 inch mouthpiece. However if it is an Arabian it is possible that you will need a 4 1/2 inch mouthpiece.
I would go to a reputable tack store and talk to them or if you have a saddle maker near by, they can help you with fitting your saddle. Don't try to combine Western tack and English tack, the two don't mix. Totally different points of contact and riding style. I am not saying that your horse can't do both, just use totally different tack, including bridles.
 

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the saddle is a half quarter horse with a thick pad. I can get the saddle in the right spot but it slids back by the time i walk him arround. what do i do. also how do i get him to collect. also im having some trouble getting him to let me open gates. what can i do. he dose not know hoe to side step though and i dont know where to push.
 

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Saddles cannot be fitted online. You need a professional saddle fitter to come to you and fit the saddle for your horse, and help you find a new one if needed.

Collection isn't just something you get a horse to do - it takes years to learn to do properly both for the horse and the rider. You need a good dressage trainer for that.

You can read here about what true collection is technically and about the dangers of false collection - and, please, don't try to force your horse into one. It won't end well.

::: Sustainable Dressage - Collection & Its Evasions - True Collection - What It Is and How to Achieve It :::
::: Sustainable Dressage - Collection & Its Evasions - False Collection & Evasions :::

For a horse to allow the rider to open gates, he first has to learn to stand still, to yield his fore- and hindquarters with precision, to sidestep, to take a step with one leg only, if needed. All of this is taught from the ground first. And the rider has to know how to ask for this - horses don't have built in buttons that can be pushed for an uniform reaction.
 

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^All of this. The questions (which seem to be numerous) and issues that you have are best dealt with by professionals, in person.
 

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Please get a trainer to work with the both of you. From your questions it's obvious that you don't have the experience to teach him these things, and all I see is an accident waiting to happen. Save yourself the heartache and do it right the first time around.
 
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