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During the show season (and off season) I have D on various suppliments. When It's summer I have him on electroyles, joint suppliment, grain, and sometimes all in one feed. I was also thinking of maybe getting him some type of all-round minerals? He's got good strong feet and my shower has never suggested any type of hoof suppliments so I think I am good there. My main question is what YOU think would be a good joint support suppliment? I grew up with my trainer always giving the Next Level Joint Fluid
Next Level® Equine Joint Fluid from SmartPak Equine
Then Missing Link:
Missing Link Plus with Glucosamine from SmartPak Equine
then some electrolyte:
Apple Elite Electrolyte from SmartPak Equine
Something for coat and skin:
http://www.jeffersequine.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=1&pf_id=11643
(honestly I don't really notice a difference in his coat weather I am using show glo or not, I was thinking of trying flaxseed as my friends horse is on it and WHAT A COAT!)

Does anyone have any suppliments they would recomend(SP)??
Here is a little more info on D incase maybe there is something I am not thinking of?? He's not on any suppliments as of right now because I ran out and just haven't gone to buy anymore.
Dartanion:
13yrs old (14 in April of 2010)
16H
Showmanship
English Pleasure/Eq
Hunters (up to 3')
Jumpers (up to 3')
Trail Trial type stuff
Trail

With a heavy show scedual in 2010 (around 15shows give or take)
thanx everyone :D OH
 

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SmartPak is really good at consulting, along with advice from your vet. I currently have both of my horses on SmartMSM, CoolCalories and Hoof & Health.
 

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SmartPak is really good at consulting, along with advice from your vet. I currently have both of my horses on SmartMSM, CoolCalories and Hoof & Health.
Thanx, I have been hearing a lot of good things about SmartPak. My vet has never really suggested any specific(sp) supplements, all she's really said is "It's good to have him on electrolytes during the summer specially on show days." But she also said if putting him on a mutli-vit supplement it won't hurt :).
 

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Less is more when it comes to supplements.

For joints I have had great luck with Acti-Flex 4000. It's a liquid that's very potent. For maintanence, you can use 1/2 dose. Big D's has the best price on it.

For everything else, I get a custom blend from horsetech.com. Their flax base is one of the best out there and works very well for coat and hooves. Mine is a vit/min blend in their NutraFlax with extra magnesium for my "easy keeper" and moody mare. If you're not sure what kind of blend you need, they have a vit/min pre-done that you can have blended with 1-2 oz of the NutraFlax. I use 2 oz as my horses don't have a lot of grazing (provides good Omega 3's that are missing in hay).

They can also blend in joint supplements too, for an all-in-one product. I don't have all of mind on joint supplements, so I go with separate products.

To encourage my horses to drink water, improve skin and hoof health, and keep my boys "clean", I use 1/2 cup of Apple Cider Vinegar. It works well and I don't have to feed electrolytes. I get the cheap ACV from walmart, $3.78 a gallon.
 

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Luvs ~ you put the AVC in their water buckets? I haven't heard of that before. Is that kind of like cranberry juice for people?

I also agree on the less is more type thing. When it comes to multivitamins, etc, if you're feeding grain or pelleted feed check the ingredients list. A lot of horse feeds are fortified so you don't want to give them double doses.
 

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Agree with Luvstoride and JumpingTheMoon on the "less is more approach". There are a couple of vitamins/minerals that can cause serious problems in your horse if you go over the required amount, so if you're using 5 different supplements + grain + hay you could very well be double or triple dosing your horse on several different vitamins/minerals/meds/etc. Talk to your vet specifically about what's in the supplements and if she can't help you ask her for someone who can.
 

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Save yourself the money and just get the joint supplement.. I like smartflex senior.. I felt it was the best value and had good bits of everything in it. The only thing I don't like is that its a powder I wish it came in pellet. BUT it does smell realllly good. yum! For coats I stick to good ol' vegetable oil.. especially when it comes to powdered supplements.
 

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Talk to your vet specifically about what's in the supplements and if she can't help you ask her for someone who can.
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Check your hay and your feed. If there is something lacking in your area, please supply it. Over supplementing CAN cause issues as some of the items cannot be readily eliminated from the body.
 

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BUT it does smell realllly good. yum! For coats I stick to good ol' vegetable oil.. especially when it comes to powdered supplements.
Lol I hear you there! I remember when I was a teen ager I would go into the kitchen and put a little veggie oil in my horses bucket at feeding time LOL! she never really figured out where all that oil went :lol:



Yes.

Check your hay and your feed. If there is something lacking in your area, please supply it. Over supplementing CAN cause issues as some of the items cannot be readily eliminated from the body.
I know that over supplementing can cause more bad than good, hence why I am kind of asking around. I'm going to be chatting with my vet soon, from what we did talk about over the phone she said that something I can think about is a performance feed since she show fairly havily(SP) during the summer. She didn't give me a specific feed yet but here are some I found locally.

Purina Mills Ultium® Competition Horse Formula
(never knew Purina made horse feed lol)

Purina Mills Omolene #500™ Competition Horse Feed


I usually feed him Platinum Performance (competition) but I can't find it anywhere anymore? does anyone have any suggestions?
 

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You can buy PP on line.
Equine Health Center

If you're feeding PP, you really don't need a lot of fotified grain or feed. The supplement I am using is pretty complete, like PP, so I feed it with plain Alfalfa pellets and some whole oats when we're in full training/showing. My horses keep their weight well and I don't have to worry about OD'ing on most vitamins or minerals.
 

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How strenuous is the competition? There are probably 15 shows in my schooling circut and its not to hard on the horses at all.
I would say it's more the heat over the summer that gets strenuous (around 110 but hottest show I've been too was 103 or 105). Three of the series I am planning on doing are all flat classes with a hunter hack class so that's nothing. There are a couple of shows where I am only doing 3' fence classes and then a couple 2 and 3 day shows farther down south.
 

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Alright, I looked at the garuanteed analysis on the supplements you posted and honestly I would not feed all of them together. The electrolyte seems innocuous and if your vet recommended a electrolyte it should be fine.

You shouldn't feed both of the joint supplements together. There's really no need to feed two joint supplements, just find the best one and stick with it if it seems to work. Side note, MSM is a pain reliever so you need to be careful about noticing your horse's pain response as it could allow him to push through an injury/strain that would normally make him show lame.

Next level - Glucosamine, MSM, Vitamin C (horse's produce this in their body from glucose, so unless your horse is old or somehow immune compromised isn't really needed), Bromelain (haven't heard a lot about this, something about blood thinning, which could be problematic if your horse suffers from ulcers), Perna Mussel (couldn't find any research in horses), and Shark cartilage (same as the mussel). If they haven't done studies in horses you need to be careful as obviously a horse's GIT is quite a bit different than either a dog or human.

Here is the analysis for the Missing Link Plus. It has some trace minerals and such that you don't want to over-supplement. Sorry I'm too tired to type everything out like the first supplement. Missing Link Plus with Glucosamine from SmartPak Equine

Sho-Glo: This seems to have everything in it and some of it in pretty high quanities. I would worry about the most about the Selenium levels, especially if you're already in a Selenium rich area or an area where plants hoard (can't think of the technical term) that could cause an enormous problem. Selenium has a very narrow toxic range. To be honest this is not a supplement I would feed with other supplements. But I tend to err on the safe side. Here's the link: Jeffers Manufacturer Information

Hope that helped or at least gave you a good starting point with your vet! Sorry for the book.
 

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Alright, I looked at the garuanteed analysis on the supplements you posted and honestly I would not feed all of them together. The electrolyte seems innocuous and if your vet recommended a electrolyte it should be fine.

You shouldn't feed both of the joint supplements together. There's really no need to feed two joint supplements

Hope that helped or at least gave you a good starting point with your vet! Sorry for the book.
No no no thank you very much!! :D I love learning as much as I can about anything to do with horses lol.

On a side note a fellow showy friend of mine who has the same vet said she suggested this to her:
http://www.hyaluronex.com/
Anyone given this a try? I'm still reading up on it.
 
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