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There is no reason to get defensive. I was simply working off the information I understood from the original post and if you have to ask suggestions on something that I consider a simple problem to solve, then it is only natural that I assume you aren't experienced with horses who misbehave. I stand by my original post.
 

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I agree with RiosDad: approach & retreat till horse sees that it doesn't hurt/he's still alive, and it'll be removed, too. Part of the fear is the horse thinks the thing's there forever, & once he learns it won't be, it's cool.
 

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Ok so today I went up to see him and was going to try to saddle him. I went out and haltered him and was walking to the barn and he was quite calm and all of the sudden without any warning or notice, he started to rear and ended up kicking me in the back in the process. he was walking beside calm and nice and just scared the heck out of me. then he just took off running without notice. I tried to catch his lead, but he started bucking, and I didn't want to get kicked. So yeah. idk what to do now. I did talk to a trainer in my area today, and he gave me some advice. I'll try it and see what happens.
This sounds like an inexperienced person! If you don't know how to saddle a horse that moves away from you and allow a horse that you are leading to kick you in the back then you are not a knowledgeable horseman. I had my suspisions before your tirade but I am convinced now.
 

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Hey, hey, hey...accidents happen. This thread was created because the poster wanted help with their horse's problem, not for others to criticize their experience or inexperience.
 

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Ok...bottom line is, this horse needs more training. Honestly, who cares whether she's inexperienced or not, unless someone lives close enough to help her out, personally, saying how inexperienced she is and saying how she needs a trainer isn't doing one bit of good. You can type, type, and type all you want, and she's going to read it, and say, "Ya know what, you guys are full of sh*t."

This is why my first sentence says what it says. I'm telling her how it is without suggesting anything because half of the people you suggest things to just ignore you. So basically, this horse is not trained and she needs to deal with it promptly.
 

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There is a drug out there, I don't know what it is called, but a friend of mine purchased a horse that had it in it's system. It works for about 3 months and hides the "crazies".....
 

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There is a drug out there, I don't know what it is called, but a friend of mine purchased a horse that had it in it's system. It works for about 3 months and hides the "crazies".....
I have never heard of anything like that. I'm not sure if that is a fact or more of an urban legand.
 

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I have never heard of anything like that. I'm not sure if that is a fact or more of an urban legand.
I know a very experienced lady who bought a horse. A nicely trained horse and brought it home. In a day or two the horse was so nuts she had to take it back and demand a refund. And this ladies husband as well as herself are well known trainers for reining horses.
That horse had been drugged but it wore off in about a day or by the next time they tried to ride the horse.
I don't beleive anything will last over weeks or months.
 

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Ok you guys have your opinion and I have mine about my experience. I really do think this horse was sedated when we seen him and the day we brought him home. When we got him home, I shoulda known something was funny because he didn't run around and explore his new pen at all. He just stood eating. He was a little skinny, but I would think he would want to explore his pen. I would love for some advice that will help. But he just isnt getting any better. I've seen him almost every day for the last 2 weeks, and he still is acting crazy. We cut back on his oats, thinking maybe he didn't get it where he was, so it was affecting him. But when we went to give him oats on Sunday, we couldn't even get close to him. He didn't want anything to do with any of us.
 

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Have you tried contacting all previous owners, trainers this horse could have had an abusive past and the only reason he let you near was that he was drugged. Try to gather as much information as possible it will help you in the long term
 

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There is a drug out there, I don't know what it is called, but a friend of mine purchased a horse that had it in it's system. It works for about 3 months and hides the "crazies".....

No there is not. I am completely certain of this. If you can give me a name of the drug, I am willing to admit that I am wrong but no, as much as people want to believe this, there simply is not such a drug. If there were, we would use it for sedating animals that need it long term ie. recovering from massive surgery. I know that some people bute and ace their horses to help prepurchase exams go better (very wrong IMO) but there just does not exist a drug that lasts for months.
 

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Fluphenazine Reactions in Horses


In the equine show horse and performance horse industry, many drugs are given that are unapproved of for use in horses. Many equine groups require drug testing of horses, which limits the use of these drugs. However, a large number of associations do not require any testing. Although it is unethical to use these drugs in my opinion, most of the time the horses are not harmed and there is not a fear of human safety. One of the most commonly used drugs is fluphenazine and horse owners may be using this drug in their horses and not know the concerns with it. Fluphenazine is a highly potent drug used in people for the treatment of schizophrenia and other forms of psychotic illness. A long-acting form of the drug is used in horses as a long-term sedative and is considered by the United States Equestrian Federation as a forbidden substance.
The drug was initially used in horses who had an injury that required the horse to be stalled for long periods of time and needed to be sedated until the injury healed. However, the drug is now mostly used in performance horses that are a little too excitable and are somewhat uncontrollable. The ethical problem with this is that the best horse and rider may not win the competition. However, there is also a safety problem. A recent report described four horses with severe behavioral abnormalities consistent with parkinsonism. Clinically these horses developed profuse sweating, agitation, intense pawing, striking out with the forelegs, and uncontrolled swinging of the head. Three of the four horses recovered following intensive care, but one died. Not only can the horses die, but any humans around these horses when they develop this violent behavior could also be severely injured.

Although I do not think this is the drug I was talking about. I will contact my friend and see if she still has the results on the drug test from the horse she bought.
 

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Like I said, I will ask my friend. She actually sued the people over this drug becuase it's very illegal and won. I THINK it may have been this one:

Reserpine is a naturally occurring drug that has been used for centuries in India. It is extracted from the root of Rauwolfia serpentina or Rauwolfia vomitoria plants found in there and in Africa. In traditional herbal medicine, the root was brewed as a tea and used in humans to treat hypertension, insanity, snakebite and cholera. The purified alkaloid, reserpine, was isolated in 1952 and is considered the first modern drug to treat hypertension. Reserpine irreversibly binds to the storage vesicles of neurotransmitters, particularly norepinephrine, serotonin and dopamine. Eventually, catecholamine depletion occurs because of the body's inability to store these neurotransmitters. It is an unusual drug; it takes many hours or days to reach full effect and continues to have some subtle sedating effects for many days after the last dose.
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Reserpine is used as a long-acting tranquilizer in horses. It is used to sedate excitable or difficult horses that are on enforced rest. It sometimes is used illicitly to sedate show horses, sale horses or in other circumstances where a "quieter" horse might be desired. Until relatively recently, reserpine was difficult to test for, but there are now sensitive and accurate tests. Blood testing for reserpine use can be complicated by related herbs and plants found in supplements, pastures and hay, which also can cause a positive drug test. Reserpine once was used in pregnant mares in an attempt to treat fescue toxicosis. Domperidone largely has replaced reserpine for this use.
 

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First off, this drug is not actually illegal, its use is highly controlled. I think where the misconception is coming in is that the drug is detectable in the blood for up to 45 days, this does not mean however that its actions last that long.
 

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That's possible. I'm not speaking from personal experience. I'm speaking from what a friend told me. I will ask her though when I see her.
 

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I just reread my post and realized it sounded really snippy- not at all intended! I asked some internal medicine specialists about this drug so that is where my info was coming from. I guess the drug can have pretty variable effects and even cause hallucinations/wildly erratic behavior when they come off of it. Sounds like horrid stuff...
 

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I am really wondering now if this horse is just not a womans horse. I was out there on Tuesday and I spent about 3 hours with him in his pen. He is very used to me now, he just doesn't respect me and since he's young, he's trying to get away with stuff around me. And I was just told this by a good friend of mine who trains horses. I should've realized this before! He said he musta gotten away with things in his previous home, his previous owner was a woman, and now he's trying it with me. My friend told me to chase him with a whip or a bag, and let him know I mean business. I did this and he was so much better! He didn't act up on me. I gave him a couple treats. Then I was going to saddle him and get on him and see what he did. Well then my friend Jeff pulled up and I unclipped his lead and went over to talk to him. Jeff isn't really a horse person, but he grabbed Cheyenne's (my horse) blanket and threw it on, now remember I had problems with this when he was tied and when I held him. But this time, Cheyenne didn't have a lead rope on or anything. I was a bit amazed! Then Jeff took the saddle and threw it on and tacked him up and he didn't even move a bit! Went he went to tighten the girth, Cheyenne didn't move either. And he didn't even have a lead rope on. I really think he's a man's horse. Not a womans. To be honest, I was kinda of upset.
 

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That is a possibility but a lot of what his problems are could be from what he is reading in your energy. If you expect him to act up, he can sense that and it makes him nervous and more likely to act up. If you expect him to stand there with no problems and don't pussyfoot around him, he will likely behave just like he did for your friend. You just need to establish that you are the leader and he must respect you.
 

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So I've got this whole thing figured out! I was told this boy was a GELDING! Well yesterday he was running around and I heard a distinct sound I would know anywhere! You know the sound stallions make when they canter or run? Yeah! He made that one. So I calmed him down and looked! Sure enough! There they were....he's not a gelding! Infact, he's a full blown stud. I'm thinking this horse is younger than I was told, because they both just now dropped. Ugh I'm mad! I called the people I bought him from and they just said "well get him gelded!"
 
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