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Hi,
This is my first post on this website, so help me out if I'm doing anything wrong, posting this in the wrong place, etc.!

I have three TB's that I ride all the time, and I am training my newest one to jump (I have trained TB's to jump before, FYI). I started with lunging her over ground poles, which she did really well with... then we tried a little crossrail, which she just trotted over instead of jumping, but did it well. After a few sessions of doing this, I tried making the crossrail into a small vertical (about 1' 6", she's 16.2 hands and she could step over it if she wanted). Every time she goes over it, she knocks it down. She doesn't seem to care, or be trying any harder. She does jump it, but usally knocks it with her hind legs, and sometimes with her front ones.
I have the almost the same problem with a different TB of mine, but he's already past the groundwork of jumping (ground poles, lunging over jumps- I've free-lunged him over 4' jumps) but when I'm on him, he always knocks poles. He even knocks cavaletti when I try to jump him over them, and they're TINY!
Please help, I have no idea how to fix this! Well I have a couple ideas, like trying to jump them over solid jumps, but that could be very dangerous.... help!!!
 

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im guessing it is a balance issue. make sure you are staying out of your horses way, and not throwing your body up her neck [i dont know that you are doing this, maybe you could post some video ?]

also, i would try a few trot poles up to a small jump to help balance her and get her to the right take off point.

i would also seperately work on cantering over single poles and poles spaced as bounces to help teach her where to put her feet.
 
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I don't jump a lot, but before the jump when your riding make sure you tap his shoulder. That tells the horse to pick up its legs. I do that with my horses, and they almost never catch.
 

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You might want to try a small solid jump. Something they CAN'T knock over. A lot of times it's just a laziness issue.
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I don't jump a lot, but before the jump when your riding make sure you tap his shoulder. That tells the horse to pick up its legs. I do that with my horses, and they almost never catch.
i would not do this. it does not tell them to jump unless you train them like that, which you dont want to unless you want to have to tap them before every jump !
 

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make sure youre taking your horses into the jumps with balance and impulsion or they may have trouble with even small jumps. also, try using a placement pole/trot poles and adding leg right at the base of the jump when you want the horse to take off. that can encourage the horse to know its supposed to jump. good luck!
 

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oh also are you using pvc or wood rails? i would suggest wood if youre using pvc, it will fall if hit but the horse will have more respect for it than the plastic poles!
This is a biggie! My boy always "tests" the first rail, if it's PVC and goes down easily then I play hell all day trying to get him to clear even the smallest jumps. But if the first is wooden or solid then he will do everything in his power to clear it every time!
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Thanks everybody for the help. :)
With my mare, I think I will try lunging her over some logs today. I am using wood poles, but they aren't very heavy, and she knocks them easily. There are some pretty big logs that I use for solid jumps sometimes, so I will try her over those later... I know she is just being lazy, so hopefully this will help. I haven't really tried jumping her under saddle, so it's not me getting in her way... however, with my gelding, it might be me.... I do have a bad habit of jumping ahead sometimes that I am trying to fix, but I usually don't do it, and the other two horses that I am training to jump have no problem jumping with me on their backs, so I don't think its a balance issue... my gelding is pretty off-balance as it is though, when I'm not on him...One time I was lunging him at a canter and he randomly fell over. He comes close to falling over a LOT, even when he's running and bucking in the pasture. So that's probably his problem...I can keep him pretty balanced when doing flatwork, so I would say he's just too uncoordinated for jumping, but one time I saw him jump a four foot gate, and I have free-lunged him over jumps that high...but half the time, he just knocks everything. When I take him out, I never know if he's going to jump 4' fences easily, or knock over a tiny crossrail. He confuses me! My mare, I think just needs to learn to respect the jumps and pick her feet up. She does very well over ground poles, and she knows where and how to put her feet, but I guess she is just too lazy to pick herself up over actual jumps. I will definitely lunge her over some solid jumps today, and maybe next time I ride my gelding,I will try him over some solid jumps. :)
 

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You can fix jumping ahead by spending lots of time on the flat in 2-point. Close your eyes for a few seconds at a time and learn to feel your balance at the canter. Also, practice following your horses mouth with softness at the canter, again in 2-point. A lot of this is in your head. You don't really trust your horse to not run out, so you sit too long and throw your body forewards. Hope this helps! =D
 

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My old riding instructor used to tell me to do that!!! :) It helped a lot, and I jump ahead a lot less than I used to...now I harldy ever do it, but when my horse starts running out/refusing, I start doing it without meaning to...I tense up, because I don't want to fall off when the horse does something I'm not expecting, so I guess I try to get ahead of him so that doesn't happen. It's a bad habit, I know, but I've almost gotten rid of it. It depends what horse I'm riding, because, like you said, sometimes I don't trust them not to run out, which is because one of my horses does run out a lot.
 

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Also, avoid tall jumps for awhile is lieu of just poles on the ground as your jumps and/or cavaletti. Set them up as a small course. Plan to jump in maybe 3 different ways. WALK IT ON THE GROUND FIRST. Ride them totally in 2 point and figure out, again by feel, when your horse wants to refuse and how you can spur or use a whip or even your voice to get him over the "jumps." Try them at the trot. It is the most fluid gait. You're looking to get a swing in his gait that is even enough to hum a tune to it. Then, you want the same steady tempo going over the "jumps" at the canter.
When you think of it ALL professional athletes do this kind of training. Consider pro-football games where they show the QB or the kicker practicing along the sidelines. They practice the motion and follow-through but not as strong. Figure skaters do the same when they spot-practice their most difficult choreaography right before they enter the ice.
Not to be a wet blanket but you horse has one of two problems. Either he is lazy, or his front legs are going. I SINCERELY hope that he is lazy. =D
 

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I have read about doing that (making a course out of ground poles) but I haven't tried it before... thanks for reminding me about it, I'll try it soon and see how he does! And I really hope he is lazy too! He was a racehorse when he was young (he
's 12 now), but only raced once... the training could have taken a toll on his legs though, or maybe he had an injury and that's why they retired him... but he doesn't like to work too much, so I reaalllyy hope the only problem is in his attitude.
 
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