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Hey! So I have an 8 year old QH gelding who I show HUS and Eq. Last year we showed W/T becasue it was his first year showing and same with mine! We placed very well but he never really had the hunter frame because we did a lot of dressage with him. He almost always rides with his back up and off of his forehand becasue of the work my trainer and I do with him. She is a dressage/ Jumper trainer so she is great for that side of things but isnt involved with the AQHA world.

NOW TO THE QUESTION!:

Are there any exercises for me to get him into the hunter "frame" (Quotes because i know its not really a frame lol) But with his head down. He naturally has a little bit of a higher head for a QH so are there any tips/exercises on lowering it to get that HUS look?? Ill add pictiures/ videos! Thanks:)

WHAT I WANT HIM TO LOOK LIKE:


WHAT HE LOOKS LIKE NOW (VID OF HIM) He is the big bay.
First Show of the Season H/J (raw) - YouTube
 

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Use a lot of seat, leg and lengthen your reins to try and get him to reach down in to the bit. He's a very nice horse BTW.

Also remember that he might be conformationally unable to do it as well. AQHA HUS horses are usually bred with lower head sets.
 

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Ok thanks! And thanks haha i like to think he is:) and his pervious owner was a WP trainer and had his head lower but she yanked him into place which isnt my cup of tea haha heres that video for anyone interested

 

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I'm having to teach my horse to ride in frame, and one thing I do is open and close my fingers on the reins, and gently increase leg pressure. And if he doesn't respond increase one aid at a time. If he goes the opposite direction with his head I stop, settle (get head flexed), then back 4-5 steps, then continue on while having him in the correct position. Always start at the walk then climb your way up to the canter...

But it seems your horse already knows what he's doing. So, experiment with your aids and see if you can't find the combo or single aid that he will listen to.

Best of luck!
 

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I'm having to teach my horse to ride in frame, and one thing I do is open and close my fingers on the reins, and gently increase leg pressure. And if he doesn't respond increase one aid at a time. If he goes the opposite direction with his head I stop, settle (get head flexed), then back 4-5 steps, then continue on while having him in the correct position. Always start at the walk then climb your way up to the canter...

But it seems your horse already knows what he's doing. So, experiment with your aids and see if you can't find the combo or single aid that he will listen to.

Best of luck!
thanks! im still working on it..no luck because i want to get him there without a bunch of nagging which is all i seem to be doing haha:oops::lol: and he does half of the time! haha that means a lot becasue i bought him green.:)
 

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He needs more drive to start. He has a very lazy looking trot, and needs more impulsion from behind. Really drive him up into the bridle.
 

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If he's done dressage work he should know how to stretch into contact, so use plenty of leg and ride as if you're doing long and low stretching for dressage. My horse is just starting to learn dressage, but I've shown him in HUS before and placed well doing that.
 

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Im currently working with a girl on trying to get a hunter frame and we basically pull out and up on the outside rein in corners and when she responds with lowering her head than we relase in the begining on the end of the corner pull out and down with your inside rein and we usually get a nice hunter head
 

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yes hes very lazy!! haha! And we havent made it that far in our "dressage" work yet becasue we are still correcting prior problems in him
 

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He needs to stride out more. Work on your figure 8s using the whole arena, and use less reins. Bend him through the short side of the arena, just pushing him off the inside. Then when you come through the center of the arena, drop reins and push him into an impulsive, extended trot. Gently squeeze the reins and encourage him to trot into the bit, long and low.
 

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He needs to stride out more. Work on your figure 8s using the whole arena, and use less reins. Bend him through the short side of the arena, just pushing him off the inside. Then when you come through the center of the arena, drop reins and push him into an impulsive, extended trot. Gently squeeze the reins and encourage him to trot into the bit, long and low.
Thanks! Ill try it.
 

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I would much rather have a horse that goes like the horse in your show video, than one that goes in that champion HUS way. That (HUS champion) head down, slogging sort of way of going is not practical, in the least. the horse has hardly any impulsion and if his head is too low, and behind the vertical, he cannot see very far in front of him. How practical is that? especially if you were to really "hunt" him. He'd fall on his face over the first bump in the ground.

Your horse is a very nice animal; well built and with a very nice and naturally relaxed way of going. Beyond him sometimes being overly relaxed (read: lazy) , I think he moves in a wonderful way and I would not be fussing with his head and yanking him back. If his forward is already on the slow side, yanking his head back every time he puts a bit of energy into his back will only KILL his forward.

Look into riding straigth hunter instead of HUS. it is perhaps more suited to your lovely horse.
 

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I would much rather have a horse that goes like the horse in your show video, than one that goes in that champion HUS way. That (HUS champion) head down, slogging sort of way of going is not practical, in the least. the horse has hardly any impulsion and if his head is too low, and behind the vertical, he cannot see very far in front of him. How practical is that? especially if you were to really "hunt" him. He'd fall on his face over the first bump in the ground.

Your horse is a very nice animal; well built and with a very nice and naturally relaxed way of going. Beyond him sometimes being overly relaxed (read: lazy) , I think he moves in a wonderful way and I would not be fussing with his head and yanking him back. If his forward is already on the slow side, yanking his head back every time he puts a bit of energy into his back will only KILL his forward.

Look into riding straigth hunter instead of HUS. it is perhaps more suited to your lovely horse.
I do agree but the thing is id like for him to be versitle and able to go either way. I do want to start showing Quarter Horse as well as my hunter shows which is why I started this thread mostly. Thank you very much! He is very lazy:oops:, but hey its one of his only flaws hes a great guy.:lol:
 

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Im currently working with a girl on trying to get a hunter frame and we basically pull out and up on the outside rein in corners and when she responds with lowering her head than we relase in the begining on the end of the corner pull out and down with your inside rein and we usually get a nice hunter head
I do NOT condone this, this will give you a false headset and no real driving from behind to bring the back up and into frame.

This horse needs to be pushed out. He needs more impulsion to really reach under himself with his hocks and stretch into the bridle before you start to think about collecting him at slower speeds. Remember that it takes a lot of strength to maintain true collection at the slower jog and lope.

Any horse can break at the poll--that's not the point of correct riding. Correct riding is from back to front, pushing the horse up into your hands so he uses himself better.

Also keep in mind that the type of hunters you're aiming for us AQHA hunters, I assume, as you posted a video of AQHA HUS. It is a world of a difference from USEF hunters.
 

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I'm with TinyLiny. I would hate to ride a horse like the one in the show video but I'd love your one
Where do they get off calling this 'hunt seat' anyway?
Sorry but I'm a Brit and if you tried to ride like that out on an english hunting field you would be soon upside down in the mud!!!
A true hunting horse (UK style) has to show impulsion not be lolloping along looking like it has no energy and have its head looking where its going, quarters underneath it for good jumping ability
All UK show horse style is based around low level dressage outline and contact
Apologies - I guess I've offended people again
I will go and do the ironing
 

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Could you use the same method as teaching a WP horse to lower the head as you could for hunters?
I like to work my horse in a training fork and after he has advanced with flexing and giving to pressure I started holding both my hands straight out & up over the neck and hold pressure. Until my gelding figured out to drop his head down.
I've worked with that method a lot and it has helped us plenty. its just repetitiousness and working with your arms straight out with pressure on the reins will beat you up but also helps gain your arm muscles!!

Now my problem LOL Because this is the same issues I' am having more so to HOLD the frame...... Is there where the Bumb comes into play? or do i keep working the same game? I dont want to sour and I dont want to loose it either
My goofy ball like's to toss his head side to side or up and flip my reins cuz he's a doink!
 

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I would much rather have a horse that goes like the horse in your show video, than one that goes in that champion HUS way. That (HUS champion) head down, slogging sort of way of going is not practical, in the least. the horse has hardly any impulsion and if his head is too low, and behind the vertical, he cannot see very far in front of him. How practical is that? especially if you were to really "hunt" him. He'd fall on his face over the first bump in the ground.

Your horse is a very nice animal; well built and with a very nice and naturally relaxed way of going. Beyond him sometimes being overly relaxed (read: lazy) , I think he moves in a wonderful way and I would not be fussing with his head and yanking him back. If his forward is already on the slow side, yanking his head back every time he puts a bit of energy into his back will only KILL his forward.

Look into riding straigth hunter instead of HUS. it is perhaps more suited to your lovely horse.

I asked this question in another thread but didn't really get a clear answer. What exactly is needed for hunters or quarter horse hunters? My horse is being trained for western dressage and my trainer made the remark that Dancer doesn't have the stuff or personality for hunters. She didn't quite explain.
 

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Quarter Horse Hunters reminds me of western pleasure horses decked out in english.

But this Western Dressage you speak of.. now that sounds interesting!
 
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