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No, you can't, but you can begin to seek out information and counter that ignorance, can't you?
Honestly, without having anything documented you're NOT going to be able to do anything with your life. You wont be able to take out loans, wont be able to buy a house or a car, heck when you go to get a real job they might not give it to you because nothing has been documented. What experience do you have? NONE according to them.

You're 20 now, maybe it's time to grow up and start your own life.
I find this a lil harsh. I have a family of four, a house, and too many vehicles. Not to mention toys and horses. I'm not rich or claim to be. But some people just aren't the type (myself included) to do everything the way society expects. Sometimes an honest living is just that. You live honestly, don't need much, and are happy.
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But how do you expect to finance the ranch? Your life? What happens if the truck breaks down and you don't have the cash? What if you don't get the ranch, what if something happens? You have what you need 'right now' but you're only twenty, I can guarantee you there will be more that you need.
I don't think you're being very realistic, but if you don't want to listen to any of that...
Do you plan on doing your taxes when the ranch is yours? If not, that's stealing.
well ya! Im trying to find out how to file them for this march! And a lot of things can happen sure doesnt mean i shouldnt continue my life, anyone can loose their job, anyones truck can break down and they might not have the money to fix it! Why do you thing im trying to go to college? I wouldnt go to college just for some dumb reason!!!!! i want to go SO that i CAN have what i need in life instead of living on the street like my brother!
 

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I find this a lil harsh. I have a family of four, a house, and too many vehicles. Not to mention toys and horses. I'm not rich or claim to be. But some people just aren't the type (myself included) to do everything the way society expects. Sometimes an honest living is just that. You live honestly, don't need much, and are happy.
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Lol exactly! I love my life, i would love a better education so that i can manage things better. out on the ranch with my family and horses and WAYYYYY to many chevys(i think i have 6 or 7 right now) and i grow my own food, have my own beef and chickens, and i love living this way but i need a better income source which is why i want to be a farrier.
 

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$5000 isn't a lot for something that will give you a job for the rest of YOUR LIFE!! I'm currently paying
$15,000 A SEMESTER for nursing school. I'm going to rack up about $100,000 of school debt. Sure, its setting me back and I'm going to work my butt off to pay for it, but this is for the rest of my life! Oh, ps, my mother isn't rich. She's a single mother of two and works for ups. Our father was a deadbeat. Still at the age of 24 I live at home and share a room with my sister... Just goes to show college isn't for "rich people".

Pick up extra hours, get a weekend job in town at another ranch, baby sit, dog walk, train horses... Anything. Save the money, pay cash and GO!

Also, you might think there is a need for a farrier but think, if there hasn't been one in so long. I'm sure people by now have gotten good at triming their own horses feet. Now why are they going to pay you $25-75+ a head to trim their horses if they can do it themselves?
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Ok now speaking as an accountant this is just complete blatant disregard for the laws of this country. I don't really give a rats behind who or what this man does he is breaking the law. Any and all income absolutely must be accounted for including cash. Especially since he is collecting social security that makes a huge difference with his farm. So yes the IRS would care. Because if he makes money on his farm that makes some or all of his social security taxable. This is tax fraud, plain and simple.

You need to take a basic accounting class. Not a reading forms class. I'm sure you can find one to take online that's cheap.
ok, and grandpa filed taxes until his wife died a few years ago, and i would gladly do it for him if i knew how.
 

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Maybe it was a bit harsh, but I still stand by what I say. It's dishonest to not do your taxes, her grandfather isn't living honestly if he gets handouts and still wont record his income, she's not learning to live honestly and IMO she needs to learn how to do these things. In the event of an emergency, if you haven't got cash and you NEED money, but you have no financial records, how are you going to get that help? Aside from begging friends and family, you're not. You can live with little and be happy, but you should still do your taxes, and make sure you DO have enough to live off of.
 

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$5000 isn't a lot for something that will give you a job for the rest of YOUR LIFE!! I'm currently paying
$15,000 A SEMESTER for nursing school. I'm going to rack up about $100,000 of school debt. Sure, its setting me back and I'm going to work my butt off to pay for it, but this is for the rest of my life! Oh, ps, my mother isn't rich. She's a single mother of two and works for ups. Our father was a deadbeat. Still at the age of 24 I live at home and share a room with my sister... Just goes to show college isn't for "rich people".

Pick up extra hours, get a weekend job in town at another ranch, baby sit, dog walk, train horses... Anything. Save the money, pay cash and GO!

Also, you might think there is a need for a farrier but think, if there hasn't been one in so long. I'm sure people by now have gotten good at triming their own horses feet. Now why are they going to pay you $25-75+ a head to trim their horses if they can do it themselves?
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dont worry im working on that. Actually people just DONT do it, honestly, i had a neighbor bring a horse to me a few months ago it was BAD. and had me do them for $20. I know how, id just like to be better as i dont want to do something wrong. there are 16 horses down the road that need their feet done and several oter ranches around that bring farriers from far away, and even a lady that hauls her horses in, she hass me do work for her to and she thinks it would be a GREAT idea for me to learn how.
 

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Maybe it was a bit harsh, but I still stand by what I say. It's dishonest to not do your taxes, her grandfather isn't living honestly if he gets handouts and still wont record his income, she's not learning to live honestly and IMO she needs to learn how to do these things. In the event of an emergency, if you haven't got cash and you NEED money, but you have no financial records, how are you going to get that help? Aside from begging friends and family, you're not. You can live with little and be happy, but you should still do your taxes, and make sure you DO have enough to live off of.
Well ya i know im supposed to do taxes, its not like im avioding them on purpose. i tried to file when i was 16 before i worked for grandpa but i had only made 3,000 that year and that is below the amount you have to make to pay taxes.
 

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Ok, so start work, saving money and then go to school. What's holding you back?
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Nothing just trying to find a school in the area, basically north cali, but the closest college for farriers(That i found)is in sacramento and thats just to far, one in fort bragg would be okay as i have uncles over there. i would like one where i can come home on weekends to help/check on grandpa.
 

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I was all set up for online college in january and then found out they needed an irs record in order for me to get loans or a masters degree. The guy said to call him when i had a 2 year history and i could start classes. i was so upset. But then i realized id rather be a farrier, at least i found out before i started classes.
 

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Maybe it was a bit harsh, but I still stand by what I say. It's dishonest to not do your taxes, her grandfather isn't living honestly if he gets handouts and still wont record his income, she's not learning to live honestly and IMO she needs to learn how to do these things. In the event of an emergency, if you haven't got cash and you NEED money, but you have no financial records, how are you going to get that help? Aside from begging friends and family, you're not. You can live with little and be happy, but you should still do your taxes, and make sure you DO have enough to live off of.
I'm setting taxes aside, that's that. None of us know what that situation is and I'd think the grandfather is handling that. Other then that, we tend to handle things as they happen. We fix our own stuff, deal with our own minor medical, grow our own food, and basically take care of our selfs. It's a different life style then some. But we like it. And I ain't never begged or borrowed money. Never
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I'm setting taxes aside, that's that. None of us know what that situation is and I'd think the grandfather is handling that. Other then that, we tend to handle things as they happen. We fix our own stuff, deal with our own minor medical, grow our own food, and basically take care of our selfs. It's a different life style then some. But we like it. And I ain't never begged or borrowed money. Never
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Me neither, i absolutly hate borrowing money because of the fact that if i have an emergency it might take me a while to work it off. My grandfather gave me money for my FFA project when went to high school (before i got kicked out for having panic attacks and freaking out on people, found out it was something to do with PTSD from when i lived with my dad, but i havent had one since i was 15) It was like 900 for food but i sold the steer for 2000 and was able to pay him back, but i always felt bad owing him money. And if my steer hadnt sold or had gotten sick ii would have felt terrible.
 

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Yes, that's true, but there's a difference between establishing that sort of lifestyle for yourself and expecting that that's the lifestyle you're going to come into when your grandpa dies. She'll still need a way to finance the ranch, who knows whether she knows how to run a functioning ranch by herself, who says she'll be able to, what if there are bills that will need to be paid and as a young woman whose resource was the man who died and left her the ranch, what if she's unable to maintain it.
I'm not bashing the lifestyle, but there is a BIG difference between what I'm talking about and what you're talking about.
 

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Yes, that's true, but there's a difference between establishing that sort of lifestyle for yourself and expecting that that's the lifestyle you're going to come into when your grandpa dies. She'll still need a way to finance the ranch, who knows whether she knows how to run a functioning ranch by herself, who says she'll be able to, what if there are bills that will need to be paid and as a young woman whose resource was the man who died and left her the ranch, what if she's unable to maintain it.
I'm not bashing the lifestyle, but there is a BIG difference between what I'm talking about and what you're talking about.
Ummm i have my own house(rented) and pay my own bills, including electric water phone and internet, i live down the road from grandpa. I just take care of him, doesnt mean i am completly reliant on the man. and i do have other work part time but grandpa is my basic income because he needs my help the most.
 

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Ummm i have my own house(rented) and pay my own bills, including electric water phone and internet, i live down the road from grandpa. I just take care of him, doesnt mean i am completly reliant on the man.
But you are reliant on him for income. Income that wont be there when you receive the ranch and have to run it yourself.

(And remember, people on the internet only know the information you give them).
 

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But you are reliant on him for income. Income that wont be there when you receive the ranch and have to run it yourself.

(And remember, people on the internet only know the information you give them).
Yes ik, but when i have the ranch i will be shipping cattle every year to auction or doing private sellings. I will also be hopefully a farrier, which is why i want to go to school,
and i can always work for the forestry again if things get hard, i did that until i almost died, a poisoned fish hook almost went into my shoulder when i found a marajuana crop and my crew was always getting shot at or setting off traps. thats when i was 16 and i was very freaked out when the cartel threatened to shoot us so we were not allowed to take the trucks out unless we had company.
 

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also if i do not get the ranch(and cannot become a farrier for some reasn) i will try and get a small peice of property on the down hill side near town, even if i just rent it, and save up to buy a ranch some day or work up my credit so that i can get a loan.
 

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Yes ik, but when i have the ranch i will be shipping cattle every year to auction or doing private sellings. I will also be hopefully a farrier, which is why i want to go to school,
and i can always work for the forestry again if things get hard, i did that until i almost died, a poisoned fish hook almost went into my shoulder when i found a marajuana crop and my crew was always getting shot at or setting off traps. thats when i was 16 and i was very freaked out when the cartel threatened to shoot us so we were not allowed to take the trucks out unless we had company.
Oy vey.......
 
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