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hi,
i have two horses.. one older gelding and a 3 year old gelding,
the 3 year old is nice tempered and ive got him to lead well and stand and walk on the lead rein in a quiet way, he is good in the stable and waits to be fed . my problem is when i bring him in of a night time he barges through the gate as i lead the older one out. luckily he allways makes for his cosy stable but the fact is i want to get rid of this dangerous habit as soon as i can. i need to lead them in one at a time as we live close to a busy road . he tends to get so close in to the other horse that i cant get round to stop him before i can close the gate.
i have done everything else without hitting and shouting... hes so young and so nice tempered and i dont want to ruin him. im looking for a few hints for a nice calm approach to this situation . At the weekend my partner will be home to help and my plan is to have the older horse taken out while i restrain the younger one..... Any ideas?
 

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i have this same problem with my two mares one is 7 years old and the othe 19, if i take the 19 year old in first, my 7 years old will run and buck and kick anything in sight, and when you catch her to then take her in she is very pushy. so my only resolution is to take the 7 year old first, my 19 years old is very well behaved and laid back and she will wait. sorry i cant be of much help could this not be separation anxiety he sees that the older one is gong so will do all he can to not be left alone?? :?
 

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thanks for your reply.... good to know i am not alone. This problem has only arisen since i have started bringing them in at nights and i think it partly seperation but a lot more to do with getting his feed... however i dont want to stop his feed when he gets in as i think thats why he heads for the stable when he bolts! tonight i got my partner to take the older one in and made the little lad wait a while. he is a darling to lead and was great tonight...but there was two of us on the case! He is on loan to us but we are thinking of buying him. as i am uncertain of his future i want him to be as delightful as possible.
ive thought of bringing the old man in first but i dont want him to go to another owner with this problem if we dont buy him. my theory here is that if he has good manners he will be more likely to find good homes ! Not sure if that makes sense!we only got him as a companion but he is worming his way into our hearts!
 

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i have done everything else without hitting and shouting... hes so young and so nice tempered and i dont want to ruin him. ?
That's where the problem comes in. You don't want to hit him or shout at him for fear of ruining him???? He doesn't stand a chance.

Read the post on what irks you.
 

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Yeah ... you've got to be tough on this guy. Asserting dominance isn't going to "ruin" him. He has to learn to respect the space of a human and, in the horse world, horses make other horses respect their space by kicking them and biting them. Frankly, if a horse can be kicked by another horse and be fine, there as absolutely NOTHING that I, a weanie little human, can do to hurt a horse by hitting it with my hand. If he charges the gate, elbow him in the chest until he backs off. If you don't want to resort to that right away, you can try making yourself look big by rolling back your shoulders and standing straight and then if you look him in the eye and walk towards him with your hand open and outstretched above your head, in theory, if he respects you, he will move away. If he charges you anways, you have to get physical with him. Spin your lead rope around and hit the ground with it. Chase him off one way or another. No offense, but he's charging the gate because you're being a pushover ... I would charge the gate too were I him ... Hey, I get to my food and in a warm barn faster this way and there are no repercussions for my actions! Why on earth wouldn't I?
 

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thankyou (not) rios dad was only looking for advice.....there are nice ways of saying things...... try reading secret angels answer.
Thankyou (very much) secret angel.... i do know my horse well and i was just sounding people out to see if any one had anything helpful to say. I think i will go with your answer first and be prepared to get firmer with him. i ve been down this route with the older one but wasnt quite sure how to approach the situation with a youngster.
 

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I wouldnt say that threatening gestures such as walking at him with a hadn raised is the best way to try. You could very well make him one of those 'hard to catch' horses if he is afriad of you or the lead rope. You dont ever want them to be afraid of ropes, so swinging one at him isnt the best option either. The elbowing in the chest isnt a bad idea. It will in now way hurt him. All in all I would say just take him in first. He'll probably still be pushy for a few days until he gets the hint that he IS going first. Then you should find he will wait for you. Good luck.
 

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thankyou (not) rios dad was only looking for advice.....there are nice ways of saying things...... try reading secret angels answer.
Thankyou (very much) secret angel.... i do know my horse well and i was just sounding people out to see if any one had anything helpful to say. I think i will go with your answer first and be prepared to get firmer with him. i ve been down this route with the older one but wasnt quite sure how to approach the situation with a youngster.
greymare girl, riosdad is always arrogant and rude, ignore him. I think if you continue to have trouble, think about hiring an experienced trainer who can help get you on the right track. It is better to have someone in person who can read the horse and see exactly what is going on and who knows how to fix the situation. Not saying you can't handle him, just saying we all have lots to learn and sometimes a second brain thinks of ideas we haven't had. Good luck!
 

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Your in a situation where you are going to get hurt. We have 2 fillys that we've raised from birth that are near 4 now. When they were younger I was having a similar problem and I let it go until I got kicked so hard by one it took me to the dirt in tears, Don't let this happen to you. I started not entering their area without a lunge whip. I didn't have to hit them, just slap the ground or twirl it over my head to keep them out of my space. Watch this clip, I learned a ton from it.
 

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I think the guy in the video made a decent point but used way too much force with that horse.
Notice how the horse did not want to come with him afterwards. Protect your space. It is a dangerous situation that you could really get hurt in but there are ways to do it in a gentle manner that won't ruin your relationship with your horse. Bring a whip or a carrot stick in with you. Chances are that if they aren't respecting you there they have holes in their foundation that is showing up in this way :)
Let us know how it goes
 

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greymare girl, riosdad is always arrogant and rude, ignore him. !
Hang around boarding barns for 50 years and you see horse after horse sold, not because they were bad horses but because they had bad owners. I have also seen owner after owner give up on horses completely because the horse ran all over them.
My attitude towards some people might be bad but my attitude towards horses never changes.
I will never be without my horse.

I have seen a number of horses that the owner was really attached too and suddenly the horse starts to pull something and the owner is frightened and gives up and decides to sell. I offer to fix the problem but some day " you will hurt my boy and I couldn't stand that"" You are willing to sell the horse and it will probably good for meat and yet you are afraid that I might hurt if for a few seconds??? Get real.

I will fix the problem, I will get rough for a few seconds but the horse's existence might depend on it.

I have seen too many horses like the one in the video.
 

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This is one of those few times I agree with RD :lol: Sorry RD. When a horse is barging a gate or acting up at feeding time and you have to go inside their area to feed them, it can be dangerous or deadly. No time to be nice to the horsey. Get it under control and respecting you RIGHT NOW!
 

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Hang around boarding barns for 50 years and you see horse after horse sold, not because they were bad horses but because they had bad owners. I have also seen owner after owner give up on horses completely because the horse ran all over them.
My attitude towards some people might be bad but my attitude towards horses never changes.
I will never be without my horse.

I have seen a number of horses that the owner was really attached too and suddenly the horse starts to pull something and the owner is frightened and gives up and decides to sell. I offer to fix the problem but some day " you will hurt my boy and I couldn't stand that"" You are willing to sell the horse and it will probably good for meat and yet you are afraid that I might hurt if for a few seconds??? Get real.

I will fix the problem, I will get rough for a few seconds but the horse's existence might depend on it.

I have seen too many horses like the one in the video.
Please note: I never said your advice was unsound or that I disagree with you in the least. I just think your delivery is always very poor. No one is going to listen to you if you insist on condescending them when you dispense advice. You are not the only one who has seen horses suffer due to someone who can't handle/help them. I have had to put down plenty of horses out here because the bullet is cheaper than the gas to get to the sale yard.

sorry for the hijack.
 

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I have had to put down plenty of horses out here because the bullet is cheaper than the gas to get to the sale yard.

sorry for the hijack.

And if this is true, then why would anyone trust your advice?
 

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I have had to put down plenty of horses out here because the bullet is cheaper than the gas to get to the sale yard.

sorry for the hijack.[/quote]

Hope you are joking with this comment.
 

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sorry, I meant client's horses ( I am a vet student!) not my own horses, god NO I would never give up on my own horse like that!!!
 

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sorry, I meant client's horses ( I am a vet student!) not my own horses, god NO I would never give up on my own horse like that!!!
I'm shocked that you would use a bullet instead of chemical euthanasia!
 

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I'm shocked that you would use a bullet instead of chemical euthanasia!
Are you serious? A well placed bullet is instant and a very humane way to put down an animal. I would shoot an animal over chemical euthanasia anyday of the week.
 

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In regards to the OP, I would carry a crop with me and wave it around a bit. Try and push the horse back by tapping his chest and gradually get steadier and harder with your taps until he backs up. Even one step. As soon as he steps back, release. Or, start having someone help you and halter him and hold him back until he stops misbehaving, and when he quiets down THEN take him in to eat. My 4 year old was like that for a while, and still can get bargy. He gets a little reminder of how he's supposed to behave and that's that.
 
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