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I am so **** proud of her. She did excellent - this is the only time I've worked on her with this, and it took her about ten minutes to go down the first time. I really don't want to hear anything regarding abuse in the video, because she was happy and relaxed the entire time. I'm sure there are other methods, but I like this one because I think it's good for a horse to learn about having ropes on and about the legs and giving to pressure. There were several times we stopped so I could give her treats and praise and let her re-group a little. If at any point she became panicked about this, I would have stopped immediately but she was nothing but confused until she figured it out. I chose this as my setup method to praise her for going down with a verbal command so that I can refine my commands on her and have her doing it on her own.



















Haha and then getting up - I was going to try and attempt to sit her up, but her hoof caught my foot and then her nose caught my head, so that was my bad, not hers. I can't ask for much more then what she gave me!




 

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I have seen it done a lot worse ways ;). Of course there is going to be some resistance the first time, it is not natural for a horse to lay down except to sleep and that is one of the most vulnerable positions for them to be in. You did great and I can easily see that she is calm. That's awesome. You want to come work with John on that one for a while?
 

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ROFL, thanks for the offer smrobs, but I think I'll just let you work your magic on that monster! :lol: One sideways hop and he'll crush me down to China!

It's funny, the only reason I even tried it on her today because Shay-la did her hooves and she decided she wanted to revert back to her old ways and jump around like a loony toon. At one point, Shay-la refused to give her leg back so the little brat just dropped to her knees and stayed there. I figured if she's that content to just drop to her knees, may as well put her to work doing it! :lol:
 

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That's How I work with mine, to get them to lay down and bow, only I have a hold on both ropes, so incase they panick I can just let go of the one around the belly/foot. I used to do it by just holding the foot with my hand and cueing, but my back is too crummy for that, so I had to modify!

Eventually they refine the cue to a tap on the shoulder means bow, and when they are down, if I put a little pressure on the front of the wither, that means lay down. It takes awhile, depending on the horse, but it works well.
 

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Thanks mom2pride! I love any advice I can get on the next steps for her. She's gotten good with her bowing, but she'll still only do it when I hold a foot up for her. I can give her the cue and she'll actually lift her own foot and stick her head between her legs, but as soon as she leans back, she puts the foot down. Do I just keep practicing until she gets it?

I actually started out trying to do the lie down thing by just holding her leg but it just wasn't working. She'd get so far, and then she'd flop back up and I just wasn't able to be agile enough to keep getting out of her way or be able to safely ask her to go down. I'll only be doing this a time or two more before going back to asking her to do it from a bow. :)
 

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Keep doing it the way you are until she is 'perfect' in that stage, then ask for more; like give her the verbal and 'touch' cue that you would like her to respond to later on, before actually picking her foot up. All of this extra 'foot' work has actually made the horses really patient with getting their feet handled.

My Blue was laying down really well, and then one day he decided he was going to 'bluff' me, by going almost all the way down, and then popping back up...haha...so we had to go back to the original cotton line, thing, and got him to do it correctly. He wasn't scared, just testing to see if I actually meant 'lay down', or not...Lol!
 

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Awesome, way to go!! Super your horse was willing to do this in a halter, it shows she has a good understanding of releasing to pressure. Great work!

Only comment I have is you need to be careful not to let the horse's head turn to you as they go down. As you see it causes the horse to lay with it's feet toward you. In your case it was not big deal, but some horses will want to jump back up and you could get kicked in the process.
 

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Thanks ReiningTrainer, I was actually curious about that. I've seen them lay horses down before and I was under the impression the horse should lay down towards you. The second time I probably could have pulled her towards me instead of pushed, but the fence was a little close. The first time she just went down in one fluid swoop the same direction. It's actually kind of a pain, because I have to immediately undo her foot rope because if she attempted to get up, she's laying on the rope and pinning her leg underneath herself. So as long as I keep her head cocked, she should come towards me right? I'll definately keep that in mind.
 

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I think anyone who would claim this as abuse does not know horses. She didn't look distressed or hurting in any way. She just looked like "Um okay this is odd... ooh treats and rubs. The world is good." :) That's the way I'll take it with Brego. My back already gives me problems and bending down long enough to pick alll four hooves hurts.

She's gorgeous by the way!
 

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Thanks guys. :) I basically mentioned the part about people considering it abusive for the sake of potentially less experienced horse people who didn't understand the mechanics of it, or for people who maybe thought I was inexperienced when it comes to equine language. I think there's a big difference in laying a horse down out of submission for problem/unbroken horses and doing it from a trick standpoint - she got lots of breaks in between and praise because she wasn't fighting me at all, just a little confused and I made sure I was clear that she was doing what I wanted.
 
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