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Hey guys, So my horse has been super lazy for the past 3 weeks or so. When I ride him i use small spurs and a whip, but it doesnt work to get him moving unless I smack him really hard. He actaully has welts after i ride him many times.
I uped it grain to a scoop in the morning and a scoop at night it did help but he is still pretty lazy. He gets 4 flakes a day also.
i assumed maybe he was getting bored of arena work so i have been riding him around my house and trail riding and things. The first couple days he was doing great but now he's starting to get lazy and slow again.
I just don't know what to do :-( Any ideas?
 

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You shouldn't be leaving welts on him. I'd get a vet out to check him out if I were you, it sounds as if he is in pain if he is not moving forward after whipped so hard.
 

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a little on the lazy side is ok. I repeat a little, but if a crop dont get him going, I agree that something else must be going on. I would have him checked out.
 

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Yeah I agree i should do that, but what could be wrong? He eats all his food every day and really his only problem is being lazy i dont know.
 

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He only gets 4 flakes of hay a day?! I hope those are huge flakes, I feed 4 flakes per feeding.

I'm guessing there's some deficiency or pain somewhere. And you left welts? I can't imagine doing that to a horse that isn't trying to kill me.
 

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Yep, definitely sounds like a vet visit is in order.

Poppy- you must have tiny flakes ;-) Four flakes from the two-strand bales my barn uses is supposed to be 20 lbs on average according to my BO (though I'm not entirely convinced that's true... I think they're more like 4 lbs each on average... but that's neither here nor there)

ETA - my horse never seems very motivated at the beginning of a ride and I always ride with a dressage whip, but once he gets warmed up he's quite easy to keep going.
 

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One 70lb bale holds about 20 flakes. So 3-4 flakes per horse per feeding (2 per day).

My horse is the most motivated at the beginning....
 

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Yes they are very big flakes. I know its not good that i left welts D: But there really was no other way to get him to move :/

He always gets better near the end of me riding and starts moving faster and more but still not as much as i think he should.

So tonight when i fed him his grain he just stopped eating it for about 10 minutes. He started to chew very slow and lowered his head very low and kinda just sat there :O ... then started eating it again normally. It was very strange. I am going to try and have the vet come very soon. Does any one have any idea what he could have?
 

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Hi, as you posted the 4 days ago, have you had a vet &/or found out what's wrong yet?

Hey guys, So my horse has been super lazy for the past 3 weeks or so. When I ride him i use small spurs and a whip, but it doesnt work to get him moving unless I smack him really hard. He actaully has welts after i ride him many times.
This makes me sad for your horse actually. You posted this in the health section, so you obviously realise something's not right & it's not just behavioural, and yet you attempt to force the horse with severe punishment?? I don't get that attitude at all.

I'd at least want to rule out pain before treating it as behavioural & trying to work through it, but if you 'need' spurs & a whip just to get the horse going, it sounds like some lessons wouldn't go astray, to learn how to train & ride him better without having to bully.

I uped it grain to a scoop in the morning and a scoop at night it did help but he is still pretty lazy. He gets 4 flakes a day also.
You don't tell anything about him, details lifestyle, etc, and details about his diet could be important - eg. how much does one scoop weight & what is the 'grain'? How much does 4 flakes weight & what sort of hay? Grain can be a common reason for horses to become laminitic, especially if they're overweight, especially if it's only over a couple of larger meals daily, which could be one reason he's sore & therefore 'lazy'.

Of course there are numerous other physical reasons aside from systemic &/or hoof problems that could cause a horse to be in pain or otherwise not want to work. Saddlefit/back pain, for eg.

So tonight when i fed him his grain he just stopped eating it for about 10 minutes. He started to chew very slow and lowered his head very low and kinda just sat there :O ... then started eating it again normally.
Perhaps he had a touch of colic, stomach aches from ulcers, gut pain from hind gut acidosis, perhaps he has bad teeth, perhaps he was just fed too much & was just full.... sorry, can't do more than guess without more info.
 

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Hi, as you posted the 4 days ago, have you had a vet &/or found out what's wrong yet?
No the vet is coming out tomorrow though.

This makes me sad for your horse actually. You posted this in the health section, so you obviously realise something's not right & it's not just behavioural, and yet you attempt to force the horse with severe punishment?? I don't get that attitude at all.
That's only happened a couple times, i stopped once i realized it really was'nt helping. He is actually alot better now. On Sunday when i rode him he was going along great and i did not have to use my crop. I gave him alfalfa pellets which i am pretty sure helped.

I'd at least want to rule out pain before treating it as behavioural & trying to work through it, but if you 'need' spurs & a whip just to get the horse going, it sounds like some lessons wouldn't go astray, to learn how to train & ride him better without having to bully.
Yes i agree with you and i have been working on getting my legs stronger and now that i am squeezing him harder its helping. And the spurs are super small..the smallest you can get.

You don't tell anything about him, details lifestyle, etc, and details about his diet could be important - eg. how much does one scoop weight & what is the 'grain'? How much does 4 flakes weight & what sort of hay? Grain can be a common reason for horses to become laminitic, especially if they're overweight, especially if it's only over a couple of larger meals daily, which could be one reason he's sore & therefore 'lazy'.
Well i ride him 6 days a week for about 60 minutes. He is a 15'2 5 year old Quarter Horse. He actually has the perfect weight. I'll post some pictures of him standing, trotting, and cantering. One scoop of grain is probably 1-2 lbs? not totally sure and the whole hay bail is 50 lbs and the are very large flakes. I give him two flakes in the morning and 2 at night. It's just normal timothy hay.

Of course there are numerous other physical reasons aside from systemic &/or hoof problems that could cause a horse to be in pain or otherwise not want to work. Saddlefit/back pain, for eg.
He actually has really nice hooves. Before i had a farrier who was doing his feet terribly but i now have a new farrier and they look so much better.


Perhaps he had a touch of colic, stomach aches from ulcers, gut pain from hind gut acidosis, perhaps he has bad teeth, perhaps he was just fed too much & was just full.... sorry, can't do more than guess without more info.
He hasn't done it again since and is now eating perfectly fine.
 

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This is the most recent confirmation picture from 2 weeks ago at a show



this is him trotting... sorry its not the best picture and yes this is from a show too its the only picture i could find of him trotting recently:p



cantering...



and his butt
 

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if you want any other pictures or better ones just let me know
 

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He looks just a tad on the skinny side, I would up his hay going into winter. He isn't ribby, but he doesn't have much in the way of topline...maybe I am just used to the big round wb look, but I vote more hay and maybe a fat supplement like ricebran to make him round and shiny.

I might have missed an earlier post...has he been dewormed recently?

You mentioned switching farriers, too short of a trim could account for him not wanting to go forward (if he was moving gingerly and not moving out)...you said he is going better now, is it further away from his last trim or was he recently done?

Let us know what the vet says!

Best of luck!
 

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Yes i agree with you and i have been working on getting my legs stronger and now that i am squeezing him harder its helping. And the spurs are super small..the smallest you can get.
What I meant is learn how to be effective so you don't feel the need to be so forceful. You don't need extra leg strength & if it takes force, something's not right. The smaller the spurs, the more severe usually.

I disagree that he's under weight & agree with you that he looks pretty good. Too many people are just too used to seeing fat horses I reckon.
 

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well he's been so much better, don't know what was wrong and the vet said he was fine and not sick or anything so i dont know. Just happy he is doing better now
 
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