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Less reactive Arab lines?

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This is really just for my own curiosity and for the sake of discussion. Of course, every horse is an individual regardless of breed, but does anyone know of performance Arabian lines that are known to produce brave, relatively calm (in the context of Arabs) animals?

My half Arab mare is terrified of the most random and annoying things. Things like semis and motorcycles are perfectly fine, but certain objects that she sees on a daily basis don't get any less scary. Barrels are terrifying. Signs are terrifying. Mailboxes are terrifying. Milkweed plants are terrifying. Painted lines on the road are terrifying. And we encounter most of these on every single ride in the exact same spots they've been in for as long as she's been here. If she spooks at something once, I know she's going to spook at it every single time.

She is perfectly tolerating of desensitization training. I've spent hours throwing hula hoops onto her neck and bouncing exercise balls off of her back and things of the like. She doesn't care one bit. She doesn't care about most things that move and make noise, and wild animals don't phase her one bit. But she hasn't ever gotten any less spooky about the stationary items she has constant exposure to and have obviously never tried to eat her. I can tolerate all her other quirks, but I am beyond frustrated when she throws herself into a ditch because she almost stepped on a painted line and noticed at the last second.

Anyway - the reactivity is a big part of what turns me off from getting another horse with Arab blood in the future. I know brave Arabs exist, but I'm wondering if there are lines that are known for it or if some individuals are just a lot better than others.

@Dreamcatcher Arabians and @phantomhorse13, I know you two have lots of Arab history.
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Marq My Words (Muscat & Vallejo Marquessa), SVS Il Divo (*Padron, Khadraj NA, Kouvay Bey), Desperado Moon (Sundance Kid V & Hucklebey Berry), Lady B (Barbary) SVS Viado (Desert Heat VF (Fame VF X Khadraja Bey)

There are lines that are considered "Halter" and "Performance" and most are all around types. I admit to being very partial to Russian, Polish and domestic lines bred by Sheila Varian and Bazy Tankersley (Al Marah Arabians). Sadly, Sheila and Bazy are no more.

Marq My Words was one of the best trail & parade horses I've ever ridden. He was one of the most level headed horses I've ever owned. He was by the *Muscat son, Nokitov out of Vallejo Marquessa, one of the best producing mares ever, so I expected no less. *Muscat was Russian, 1st Triple Crown winner (US National Champ, Scottsdale Champ and Canadian National Champ), all showing halter. He was also an excellent Western Pleasure horse, worked cows, and rode out on trail. I have always kicked myself for selling Marq.

SVS Il Divo aka Cloney is my gelding by SVS Fornaio who is a Khadraj NA son out of SVS Kouleysza (Kouvay Bey X Fetyszka) out of Patrice C, a Coleal mare, *Padron X Aaire, an SX Saladin daughter. That's Russian and Polish lines and all Halter and Racing (Fetyszka was a *Deficyt daughter), so you'd think hotter than a $2 pistol but he's anything but. Cloney CAN be hot, but it's all for show, he's not losing his mind while he does it and he's far from spooky. He's shown at the National level in Main Ring Halter, Sport Horse in Hand, Hunter Pleasure and up to 2nd Level Classical Dressage. He's super athletic and very good minded.

Desperado Moon is a Varian bred Western Pleasure horse I owned, by Sundance Kid V X Beyberryeloquence (Hucklebey Berry X Chosen Destiny (Well Chosen). I took him on because of his sire line, and pretty much in spite of his tail female line. A lot of people thought a lot of Aladdinn but he was never a particular favorite of mine. Moonie had been left a stallion solely because he was black and for no other reason. He was a good looking horse but he'd been allowed to be an absolute pig. So, the first thing I did was geld him. That improved him immensely. He turned into the sweetest Western Pleasure horse you could ask for. Even as a stallion he wasn't a hot head, he was just not real nice. After he was gelded and we showed for a season, he was the sweetest horse and I sold him as a child's show horse. By the time I sold him, I really didn't want to. I'd take another Varian bred horse any day.

Lady Barbieri (Barbary) was a Varian bred mare by Barbary, a champion Park horse, so you'd expect another hot horse. She totally wasn't. She was very kind and loved attention and going for rides. She taught me how to ride saddleseat, Country English Pleasure, she didn't trot high enough to be a Park horse like her sire. She was my first Arabian and got me into Arabian horses. She was a total character. Very dramatic, but not spooky in the least.

I also liked to cross Russian/Polish lines on Varian breeding (Bay el Bey). I had an old mare Cachmere (Ratzi X Sacudida) and her daughter Carmel Bey a Bay el Bey daughter, and her daughter Khadraja Bey by Khadraj NA. These mares made some lovely foals and they were mostly sensible. I also had SVS Viado who was by Desert Heat VF, a Fame VF son, out of Khadraja Bey. Desert Heat and Fame VF both were champions at halter and Western Pleasure stallions. Viado, unfortunately, was extremely high strung and spooky. Sometimes all you can do is all you can do.
I also loved Magic Dream CAHR (Ali Jamaal X The Dreamspinner) and he was very level headed. Crossed on Sanadik el Shaklan was a very popular cross but I found it produced horses that were so hot and silly that finding a trainer to work with them could be really frustrating. I bred a foal out of Sanadika Shaklana who was prettier than both of her parents but had a sieve for a brain.l Not a breeding I would repeat,.

Yes, that is my issue. The Arab half of my mare is halter Arab. I joke all the time that she wasn't designed with riding in mind because her sire is a halter Arab and her dam was a Standardbred, assumably a harness racer with how ground-covering my mare's trot is. She got the Arab halter line brains and the Standy jackhammer racing trot. Neither particularly bred for or suited to riding. She's... a lot. 馃槀
What's your mare's Arabian pedigree?

I agree that sometimes the reason a horse is spooky and nervous is because the handler/rider is spooky and nervous. For instance, the mare spooks at barrels and never desensitizes to them. Sometimes that is exactly what's happening. Other times, the rider/handler knows they're going to be passing near the barrel and expects the horse to spook, so tenses up and the horse feels the rider's anxiety and feeds on the heightened energy. Only you can know what it really is.
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@Aprilsswessmiss, I've known many horses who have Ruminaja Ali in their pedigrees who were very reactive. After my cross with Magic Dream & El Shaklan, and how bound and determined the filly was to be an absolute spooky GIT, I steered clear of it.
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Oh good - I mean, not good that she has this line showing up in her pedigree twice, but good that her reactivity is probably not all in my head 馃槀
Nope, it's not. Has she forgotten you were there and walked over the top of you and then looked at you in total shock like, "OMIGAWD, where did you come from?". That's what the MD X ES filly did. She literally forgot you were standing/walking beside her, up riding her and would do somd kind of brain dead stunt and be utterly shocked to find out she'd just squashed you flat.
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I am wanting to post my girl鈥檚 lineage.
I honestly am not familiar enough to really know how to compare.
Post it, I love looking at pedigrees! I used to get teased that other people took novels into the bathroom, I carried a stud book. It was actually worse, I carried around with me pretty much everywhere. I don't even have Arabians anymore, except for Cloney, and I still love looking at them. I'll warn you though, if she's Egyptian, I'm not as good on those as I am the Russians and Poles.
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That is absolutely, 110%, how she was when I first got her. We had quite a few very strong conversations about ground manners and she hasn't done it since. I watched her do it to the rescue's trainer when I went to pick her up too. I knew what I was getting into when I got her... There's a reason she was free!
And to add to it - if I play "passenger" on a ride and let her walk on the buckle, sooner or later her brain will drift off into the clouds and she'll attempt to veer off the path and into the brush/ditch/trees/whatever. Totally forgets that I'm on her and doesn't even pay attention where she's going herself, and that the least I expect is for her to go in a straight line.
Yep, I stopped riding every step on my spooky Arab mare once and she ran her head into a tree.
She also closed her eyes once and ran over the top of me. Totally innocent, I had " disappeared."
I couldn't ride her into dirt or sand clouds when galloping because she'd try to close her eyes.
Dreamlet was so ditzy that I ended up sending her to an outside trainer in despair, and said, "Fix her or kill her, at this point I don't care.". After 6 months, there wasn't a whole lot of improvement.

One day my hubby had been standing next to her, petting and grooming her, and he saw that the bottom rail on the fence had broken a weld. He squatted down to have a closer look and she 'forgot' he was there and moved over and ran his head into the fence post, which was a steel pipe. Knocked him smooth out. And then freaked out because she didn't know where he came from. There was no malice in her, she was just a total ditz.

I used to pony her out on trail when she was a young filly, and surprising enough, she was actually pretty good about not being utterly stupid on the trail but she'd 'forget' she was on a pony line. One day she decided to roll in the river bottom while we were out riding. Almost took me off my horse with her nonsense. Another time we were going to cross an old railroad bridge, one she'd been across many times, and she decided she wanted to go down the bank and across the river bottom. No wonder I've had 2 surgeries on my right shoulder. Jeeez. BTW, this was in Southern Arizona, so the river bottoms were dry and sandy, not full of water.

I sold her overseas. She's now living her best live in Saudi or Dubai. Good place for her. Oy!
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" occasionally go into show-off mode, and you had to let her prance and snort for a bit as there was no way to bring her out of it when she got there"

This reminded me of another thing about Dreamlet. When she lost it, or started to lose it, you had about 1/2 of a second to redirect her attention and get her brain back or that was it, clear the decks. Her elevator got stuck, never reached the top. We used to say that the lights were on but nobody even lived there, never mind being home. And she was a big mare, so when she decided to freak out, you had your hands full. She should have been a palomino if the blonde jokes were accurate. I was actually glad when I sold her.
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Your mare is bred really nicely. She is not Egyptian but a domestic cross of different horses. She is Kuheilan in strain but from different secondary families. Of course all Arabians go back to Desert Bred and are Egyptian related but not Straight Egyptian. The confusion is when the horses are moved from country to country and 'claimed' by the country they're standing in. So, *Padron who's Russian to start is also used heavily in Polish breeding and of course, features prominently in American domestic lines.

You have a lot of Bey Shah, Padrons Psyche, Ruminaja Ali in there. Those are all horses that feature heavily in halter pedigrees and are known for their pizzazz. She's also got Khemosabi and Fadjur, both known for the level headedness and sweet personalities. She's probably always going to be on the high side, but she's also probably very sweet. *Padron had quite a temper if he wasn't treated fairly, so I'd expect her to have a strong sense of fair play. As long as you're firm, fair & consistent, I'd expect her to be a quick study and really fun to work with. She's only 5, so just coming into her own.
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Well that was VERY interesting! Thank you for that!

And you NAILED her personality... very sweet, will think the situation out (levelheaded), and seems to thrive with patience and kind handling. She will also take advantage if you let her. And she has been a quick study.
And that's why I like to know my horses' pedigrees. You can't ride paper, but it can sure tell you a lot about what kind of ride you're probably gonna get. I'd love to see a picture of her. Her pedigree is interesting, so I'd be curious to see if what I'm picturing from it is anywhere near what the actual horse looks like. ;)
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I found a couple of old pics of Dreamlet and her filly by Cloney. So, Sana's Magic Dreamlet (Magic Dream CAHR X Sanadika Shaklana (El Shaklan)) and SVS Il Divo (Khadraj NA X Koulesza (Kouvey Bey)) X Patrice C (*Padron X Aaire (SX Saladin)). Talk about halter bred.

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She's really quite lovely, though not quite as exotic as I expected from her breeding. I suppose that was unrealistic because if she had been, she'd be out showing with them. She kind of reminds me of Regal Actor JP.
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Only thing I can say to that is they said she didn't seem happy in the ring and thought she'd be happier on the trails.

But thank you! This has been educational! 馃榿
Then she's exactly where she needs to be. It's funny how they end up where they're supposed to, isn't it?
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