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I've only heard good things about Varian and Rushcreek. I believe Rushcreek is no longer breeding - is that correct? That's a shame. Hopefully some dedicated breeders pick up those likes and keep them going.
Less reactive Arab lines?
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@Aprilsswessmiss, I've known many horses who have Ruminaja Ali in their pedigrees who were very reactive. After my cross with Magic Dream & El Shaklan, and how bound and determined the filly was to be an absolute spooky GIT, I steered clear of it.
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Oh good - I mean, not good that she has this line showing up in her pedigree twice, but good that her reactivity is probably not all in my head 😂
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Nope, it's not. Has she forgotten you were there and walked over the top of you and then looked at you in total shock like, "OMIGAWD, where did you come from?". That's what the MD X ES filly did. She literally forgot you were standing/walking beside her, up riding her and would do somd kind of brain dead stunt and be utterly shocked to find out she'd just squashed you flat.
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That is absolutely, 110%, how she was when I first got her. We had quite a few very strong conversations about ground manners and she hasn't done it since. I watched her do it to the rescue's trainer when I went to pick her up too. I knew what I was getting into when I got her... There's a reason she was free!
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And to add to it - if I play "passenger" on a ride and let her walk on the buckle, sooner or later her brain will drift off into the clouds and she'll attempt to veer off the path and into the brush/ditch/trees/whatever. Totally forgets that I'm on her and doesn't even pay attention where she's going herself, and that the least I expect is for her to go in a straight line.
I am wanting to post my girl’s lineage.
I honestly am not familiar enough to really know how to compare.
I honestly am not familiar enough to really know how to compare.
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Feel free! I am no good at reading pedigrees, but some others here are.
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Yep, I stopped riding every step on my spooky Arab mare once and she ran her head into a tree.
She also closed her eyes once and ran over the top of me. Totally innocent, I had " disappeared."
I couldn't ride her into dirt or sand clouds when galloping because she'd try to close her eyes.
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Post it, I love looking at pedigrees! I used to get teased that other people took novels into the bathroom, I carried a stud book. It was actually worse, I carried around with me pretty much everywhere. I don't even have Arabians anymore, except for Cloney, and I still love looking at them. I'll warn you though, if she's Egyptian, I'm not as good on those as I am the Russians and Poles.
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Dreamlet was so ditzy that I ended up sending her to an outside trainer in despair, and said, "Fix her or kill her, at this point I don't care.". After 6 months, there wasn't a whole lot of improvement.
One day my hubby had been standing next to her, petting and grooming her, and he saw that the bottom rail on the fence had broken a weld. He squatted down to have a closer look and she 'forgot' he was there and moved over and ran his head into the fence post, which was a steel pipe. Knocked him smooth out. And then freaked out because she didn't know where he came from. There was no malice in her, she was just a total ditz.
I used to pony her out on trail when she was a young filly, and surprising enough, she was actually pretty good about not being utterly stupid on the trail but she'd 'forget' she was on a pony line. One day she decided to roll in the river bottom while we were out riding. Almost took me off my horse with her nonsense. Another time we were going to cross an old railroad bridge, one she'd been across many times, and she decided she wanted to go down the bank and across the river bottom. No wonder I've had 2 surgeries on my right shoulder. Jeeez. BTW, this was in Southern Arizona, so the river bottoms were dry and sandy, not full of water.
I sold her overseas. She's now living her best live in Saudi or Dubai. Good place for her. Oy!
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It's almost amazing that my mare survives out in the pasture with all the brush and trees that she could get herself stuck in. She is the only horse in the herd that comes in every. single. day. with burrs all throughout her mane and forelock...
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April has recently taken to trying to go sideways over the trail bridges that don't have railings. Thankfully she is respectful when I tell her we are ABSOLUTELY NOT doing that, but I know she wouldn't hesitate to sidestep straight off the edge of a bridge if I didn't stop her.
I'm honestly glad to know I'm not the only one who's had this experience with a horse of this lineage. It normalizes a lot of the experiences I've had with her. What a doofus.
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Your mare's pedigree has a pretty good amount of Morafic... the one Morafic son I knew was absolutely empty upstairs and a lot like you describe. Not a mean horse, but he wasn't sharp like all the others in the barn. He would smash himself into things all the time, thankfully he was a gelding. The trainers were never able to accomplish even halter training with him. He was really, really pretty though!
For Egyptian lines I chose to linebreed to Halima, which means "the gentle one" in Arabic. There's 3 crosses to Morafic in my fillies pedigree but they're 4-5 generations back, so the influence isn't super heavy.
The mare (aforementioned fillies mother) I lost was so quiet, when I picked her up she had just weaned a foal and I took her on a 9 hour solo trailer trip home. The barn I boarded them at the time was all western pleasure bred stock horses. When I unloaded her, she looked around, gave a big sigh, cocked a hind foot and started grazing. The stock horse folk ("Arabs are crazy" type of people) were all like.... "why is she so calm?!?!"
She was pretty much unflappable. She would however, occasionally go into show-off mode, and you had to let her prance and snort for a bit as there was no way to bring her out of it when she got there, but i didnt want to stop her anyway as it was so beautiful when she did it. She never did it out of fear though- she was just showing off.
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" occasionally go into show-off mode, and you had to let her prance and snort for a bit as there was no way to bring her out of it when she got there"
This reminded me of another thing about Dreamlet. When she lost it, or started to lose it, you had about 1/2 of a second to redirect her attention and get her brain back or that was it, clear the decks. Her elevator got stuck, never reached the top. We used to say that the lights were on but nobody even lived there, never mind being home. And she was a big mare, so when she decided to freak out, you had your hands full. She should have been a palomino if the blonde jokes were accurate. I was actually glad when I sold her.
This reminded me of another thing about Dreamlet. When she lost it, or started to lose it, you had about 1/2 of a second to redirect her attention and get her brain back or that was it, clear the decks. Her elevator got stuck, never reached the top. We used to say that the lights were on but nobody even lived there, never mind being home. And she was a big mare, so when she decided to freak out, you had your hands full. She should have been a palomino if the blonde jokes were accurate. I was actually glad when I sold her.
She is Egyptian, but give it a whirl!
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Your mare is bred really nicely. She is not Egyptian but a domestic cross of different horses. She is Kuheilan in strain but from different secondary families. Of course all Arabians go back to Desert Bred and are Egyptian related but not Straight Egyptian. The confusion is when the horses are moved from country to country and 'claimed' by the country they're standing in. So, *Padron who's Russian to start is also used heavily in Polish breeding and of course, features prominently in American domestic lines.
You have a lot of Bey Shah, Padrons Psyche, Ruminaja Ali in there. Those are all horses that feature heavily in halter pedigrees and are known for their pizzazz. She's also got Khemosabi and Fadjur, both known for the level headedness and sweet personalities. She's probably always going to be on the high side, but she's also probably very sweet. *Padron had quite a temper if he wasn't treated fairly, so I'd expect her to have a strong sense of fair play. As long as you're firm, fair & consistent, I'd expect her to be a quick study and really fun to work with. She's only 5, so just coming into her own.
You have a lot of Bey Shah, Padrons Psyche, Ruminaja Ali in there. Those are all horses that feature heavily in halter pedigrees and are known for their pizzazz. She's also got Khemosabi and Fadjur, both known for the level headedness and sweet personalities. She's probably always going to be on the high side, but she's also probably very sweet. *Padron had quite a temper if he wasn't treated fairly, so I'd expect her to have a strong sense of fair play. As long as you're firm, fair & consistent, I'd expect her to be a quick study and really fun to work with. She's only 5, so just coming into her own.
Well that was VERY interesting! Thank you for that!
And you NAILED her personality... very sweet, will think the situation out (levelheaded), and seems to thrive with patience and kind handling. She will also take advantage if you let her. And she has been a quick study.
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And that's why I like to know my horses' pedigrees. You can't ride paper, but it can sure tell you a lot about what kind of ride you're probably gonna get. I'd love to see a picture of her. Her pedigree is interesting, so I'd be curious to see if what I'm picturing from it is anywhere near what the actual horse looks like.
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