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Has anyone ever had a horse that was mouth shy? I've got a pony that is not head shy or ear shy, its all in the mouth and you cannot look at her teeth/gums/etc. which I am starting to believe may have been either because of a dental appointment gone wrong or someone automatically using a twitch on her when it was not necessary. We've tried everything and try to desensitize that area but its been difficult! Only way we can get a halter or bridle on her is with a bucket of food and even then she is expecting it :S She's also hard to do a join up with because she just keeps going and you may think she's going to give in but she won't, just stubborn in that aspect. How do you deal with a horse that is mouth shy when they will NOT give into temptation all the time!
 

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Yes, the little mare had parrot mouth and so growing up, she had a lot of people in her mouth and a lot of {surgeries?} not sure about that. But just handling her mouth, she's now wearing a bit, chewing properly, and doing great.

Just takes time.
 

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I really would like to help you but last time we tried, you shot every opinion and piece of advice we gave you down. That is why you're not getting any responses and advice. No one wants to take the time to type out a response and advice for you to just shut them down..If you want to ask for advice and receive good advice you actually have to listen to what people are telling you and take it into consideration...Not just saying No! That's not it! I know it!...That won't get you very far, after hearing that over and over again no one will want to help you....That's just my two cents but I'm guessing that's the way everyone who tried to help you before feels about it.
 

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I'm not trying to shut anyone down but I know exactly where the problem is coming from now, not just guessing, and I can guarantee you after talking to several people, there is no trainer here that will take the light of day to spend time on this problem. I've already tried asking people I know what they suggest, and this is the best I can do. Every piece of advice I got was "go to a trainer" when its not a possibility for many reasons and thats all everyone wants to suggest.

skseternalangel - I never heard of a parrot mouth, can you elaborate? We did try messing with her this past week and she just really will not let anything go near her mouth. Treats, sure, anything else, not really.
 

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Oh its just a situation with the teeth itself.. the only thing is, I dont think it was that because she is a wild pony, so she's built pretty decently. I just think someone messed her up in that area from the start and was just passed on from that point.
 

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You can try wrapping a fruit roll up around the bit when presenting it to her.
ther first times, just let her eat it off, then work toward she gets to eat it but only when it's in her mouth.
 

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Ok.....

If that is the case and you're sure it's not pain related and that she is just being stubborn.. Personally, I would just take some time with her stick your fingers in and out of her mouth, massage her tongue..Let her know that there can be "good feelings" in her mouth..then after a while with this and lots of good feelings and praise..I would try those Likit bit wraps or a Fruit Rollup..They just mold around the bit and taste nice..If she is a treat lover just hold the bit in your hand (not hooked to the bridle) and let her lick it. Don't try to put it in her mouth. After a few days of just letting her enjoy the bit and the Lickit I would try to put it in her mouth (still not with the bridle) and let her play with it a little. While praising her and having lots of those "good feelings" going..When she realizes the bit isn't going to hurt her and if she likes the Lickit I would put the bit on a bridle and try to put it on her..Not force by anymeans. If she pulls away just stay steady, don't smash it in her face and try to do it as quick as possible..That takes those good feelings away and OMG! This girl is trying to put that bad thing in my mouth again!...Away goes your hard work. When she finally lets you put the bridle in her mouth I would just let her sit with it a little while. Stand there with her, brush her, and let her see it's not hurting her and you're not hurting her. I probably wouldn't ride her the first couple times either.

It's just going to have to be a slow thing with a lot of repetition and a steady pace. No quick fixes.

ETA - Well..Tinyliny beat me to it..in a much shorter version lol
 
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That's where the problem comes in, you can just try to pet her muzzle and just be soft on the outside, not even trying to open her mouth up, and she does not let you. Flings her head left and right. I will try to work with the bit some, with what you suggested. Hopefully that makes it a little bit easier.
 

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Just do what you can. My horse was the same way. I literally had to hug his face which in hindsight wasn't a good idea but over time, he started to relax and now I could grab his tongue and grab his ear and he'd be fine.
 

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Ahhh..that sounds about right..That could very easily be your whole problem. My sister's gelding was coming 6 when he started having problems with his wolf teeth. The vet didn't realize it, we didn't..Until I did some research about it and we talked it over with the vet..He had them taken out the next week and he acted like a different animal..When their Wolf Teeth are really sharp and need to come out they don't want ANYTHING near their mouth because the teeth are sharp and cause pain even when eating..I would bet money that is your whole problem with the pony..Not being head shy, mouth shy or anything like that...I'd look into that and if her teeth haven't been taken out I would take her to have them removed.
 

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Turns out she still has hers.. if this is the problem.. wow not sure how else I would have ever found that out! I'm going to go look at them and see what her owner will want to do but I'll research it and give her the facts. Thanks! :)
 

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Turns out she still has hers.. if this is the problem.. wow not sure how else I would have ever found that out! I'm going to go look at them and see what her owner will want to do but I'll research it and give her the facts. Thanks! :)
Thought so..The stubborn thing just didn't add up and it did sound like a pain issue but I didn't want to start an argument..Hopefully that is what it is and it can be fixed soon. The pain from the wolf teeth can definitely change the way a horse reacts to you wanting to mess with her head and mouth..You'll have to update us on what happens and if that is the case.

Anyway, I hope that works and you're welcome!
 

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Honestly, It didnt seem like a paint issue but then again that wouldn't be the first thing that came to my mind to be honest. She is a little stubborn though, since she doesnt even want to join up lol, but this might be the big issue. We're definitely going to at least look into it and see if that may be it, just wondering, how much did you pay for the whole procedure of getting them removed?
 

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Honestly, It didnt seem like a paint issue but then again that wouldn't be the first thing that came to my mind to be honest. She is a little stubborn though, since she doesnt even want to join up lol, but this might be the big issue. We're definitely going to at least look into it and see if that may be it, just wondering, how much did you pay for the whole procedure of getting them removed?
Pain issues are usually the cause for anything like what you described in the other thread and here...That's why everyone assumes that first and tries to target the things that cause pain. It's really a easy mistake to make when dealing with ponies and horses..You just have to cancel out EVERY type of pain issue that may be... I'm really thinking that the Wolf Teeth are your problem and her mouth is just in a constant pain from the teeth. So she may seem stubborn because she simply doesn't want to do it..but there is always an underlying cause for a stubborn horse or pony..

And not every horse or pony will want to join up..Especially if you said she was wild once? To her you aren't a "wild" thing like her..You are scary and chasing her and her mouth hurts..Lol if you had a toothache and someone was making you run around would you want to join up with them? Think of it as she would..

I honestly don't remember how much it was to have Tucker's teeth removed. It would probably very from vet to vet anyway..
 

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True true.. I will definitely be looking into it though.. Weird thing is that I've seen prices range from $40 to $240! Some including floating, sedation, etc. some not, so I guess I'll have to make a few calls. If this does solve the problem, it would be so much relief!
 
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